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Its evidentedly beyond my comprehension, as to how I can get "CONTROL"... or understanding of how to control the automated volume, and everything else that is just "there", amidst me simply trying to record and compose.... I wish I could just TURN OFF ALL AUTOMATION

until such time when I can learn what is happening that is making what should be the simplest of operations...into a struggle.....

I have a song that I might be able to actually complete, except for this malady of my computer, and what is wrong as to why I cannot get things under control, with respect to all these automated occurences... sudden blasts of volume that are as quick and almost unnoticeable as any discreet operation that is possible with such amazing digital tools as are a part of this amazing software.....
Except I can see the setting go each time at the same location, from whatever I have it set on, to whatever the automation thinks I want it to do, and instantly right back to the volume level I do desire..

HOW CAN I JUST TURN OFF ALL AUTOMATION?

All automation in Live is represented by lines between breakpoints. It can exist either on a per-track or per-clip basis. The per-clip stuff is called 'clip envelopes' and you'll find it in the clip parameters section of the display. If you're working in the arrange view, the per-track automation will be right there on all unfolded tracks though you can only see one at a time; you select which from the set of drop down menus that probably say 'Mixer' and 'Volume' by default. If a parameter is automated it is coloured pink and Live will lock the parameter's value to the automation curve, even if the only automation is one stupid breakpoint that you created by accident somewhere (and obviously having just one breakpoint will mean that the curve is ruler flat), meaning that any adjustments you make from other places in the interface or via a controller will be reset next time you press play.

If you're getting lots of automation breakpoints that you're 'not asking for' make sure you've locked automation envelopes - it's the little padlock. If you don't do this, any automation from a given 'slice' of time will be copied with any audio you move to other places on the timeline.

Hope this helps!

Caveat lector - I still use Live 3, so this may or may apply to you.

-Paws (Mr. RTFM having a good day,,)

noisetonepause wrote: If you're getting lots of automation breakpoints that you're 'not asking for' make sure you've locked automation envelopes

ya ... i think i basically know what he's trying to say, and if he's duplicating things around on the grid that will happen unless you lock envelopes.

also - sounds like he might be recording into the arrange view and moving parameters while hes doing it.

jbo remember that if you have enable the red record button in arrrange view, everything you change while its on will get recorded

so if you tweak the volume carelessly, then play back your arrangement, your volume will jump around because you recorded automation you didnt want.
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I am so used to all types of responses, I really do appreciate you two regular guys giving me genuine and helpful comments thank you so much

Orlando huh? hi neigbor

I was really feeling so all alone and so I cannot tell you how Iappreciate your sincere answers

I did remember how to refrain from clicking the "back to arrangement" button, after "setting the volume as I desire on the spot in question...
I seem to have developed a habit a bad one, evidently, of routinely "clicking" it...after I learned how after using the session view, the play in arrangement was still session, not arrangement, until clicking it... but its way more complex in function still, than just that... but THANK YOU SO MUCH

I am way better now...thanks to regular persons being normally helpful and not minding doin it..

I am much more "awake' now......(lol) (I used to hate that "abbreviation")

'guess I am becoming more like the rest of the "onliners"

sorry if what I'm about to say is obvious, but when working in arrangement mode, whatever you do with the red global record light on gets recorded--volume moves, turning things on and off, etc. If the red global record button is NOT on, any tweaks you make to ANYTHING will override the automation data. You can see when this happens because the red automation spline line will turn a brownish color, indicating that the automation has been overridden by whatever tweaks you make (turning things on and off, adjusting volume, etc.). These overrides will stay with your arrangement until you press the "return to arrangement" button, which jumps EVERYTHING back to the recorded automation. If things aren't automated at all (for instance if an effect in a track that is always on), then the return to arrangement button won't change their status--it only reverts aspects of your arrangement that ARE automated.

Hope this helps. If you are having problems with volumes on your tracks in arrangement view, first look at the volume automation lines for all of your tracks. If looking at this and fixing any abonormalities doesn't cure your problems, then you could reset all of your volume automations so that they aren't automated at all (delete all breakpoints), OR you could simply manually adjust the volume of each track slightly (using the dB number read-out box next to the track name in arrangerview), thus overridding the automation (and causing the red automated data to turn brown). Now your volumes won't change at all, but if you hit "return to arrangement" you'll be back to your automation. To clarify further, think of it as "return to automation", not as something to return to the arranger from session or whatever.

Ryan

I knew I was risking getting a flamed answer like "read the manual" in the less than perfect world of yesterday in regards to my luck here on this forum.. I may have amended my methods of asking and folks also may have mellowed. or maybe I just don't come off as annoyingly dumb as i may have in the past I don't care at all, I just know i am so gratefyl to not get those flames i feared I might have gotten with such dummy-based questions but I am greatly enhanced and helped by the comments you fellas each gave to me and i cannot say so emphatically enough or often enough... its just wonderful, particularly in contrast to the couple of bad trips I have had before... so without becoming any more gooey than that, i definitely acknowledge every single one of you gentleman's answers, and have been greatly refreshed in my previously damaged attitude about the "in-general"-forums/strangers-willingness to treat other strangers-just any-old-way, and all that sort of stuff thats such a terrific waste of cerebellums and oblongottas as well, in my view...

You men restored my faith in "hope-at-large"...
and thats no lie...thanks, from my deepest depths

Jbon
aka
"Heltover"
"Ozone-Bone",
"midi-me",
"WurtzBrat",
"Toonk",
"Dad",
&
"hey you"

I would love it if you guys also have an added description about Live's Quantization
(I hardly ever do engage it, or I would rarely, still the fact I have never even detected its presence in any of my version of Live? and I am puzzled with this?

thanks

I am very curious as to how come you use version 3...unless you gotta budget bad as mine ...which car I do understand

I was midi happy when L4 added all the support for midi virtual instruments like one I had just purchased instead of tascams giga-platform --GPO which workd great teamed with Live

I wonder about the few little barely remembered details(unless I am just imagining there were any) "lost "in past versions..little methods for doing things

I went from version one.5 to 2.0 to 3 to 4 and never in any version felt really fully adept if you will , in accessing all that was accessible...
And just interested in learning this way when possible..so,
"Noise Tone"...if you see this ornot this thread will be a reference for me for some time I think


thanks, once more, for it.....!

Cos I haven't bothered updating?

I just prefer working with plain audio to VIs cos I'd rather play than programme... and the only thing I want from v4+ is AU effect support, but I can live without it. It's working, I made all my best stuff with Live 3, a handful of samples and my guitar + bass. Don't need much else..

I can programme beats in the arrange view faster than you can load up an Impulse preset kit, too. I've been doing it for too long

I know both versions from owning and using both ...uh... I was just wondering your specific taste finds the things about 3 over 4 that you make the choice I mean for my notice so far I can't see any reasons to upgrade from 4 to 5 until I get myself a mac ....that could be some time..

ha ha

I would still be happy to learn some work around to effectively turn off automation.. that was why I returned here today and responded to this thread
if anybody can remind me any similar facsimile/s of using v4 without the automatic automation
I know I need to re read my responses cus some ideas were made to me I wanted to get stuck in my head and try out or get whatever it was I couldn't get through my head as I was reading the first time around..
any how "I thank you", (to all of youze who have been trying to help me) I do really thank you I just sometimes 'hafta read things over,often many times to realize how simple the words translate into being after seeing on the back side what the person was telling.. and its amazing to get some ideas transferred between us too, too often since the whole shebang of computer and accomplished work can be made simple with proper viewing and repetition of key parts or ideas to adequately describe physical components and stuff...... thanks folks any retorts on any parts are greatly appreciated

(my new non-registered artists-name)


midi-me