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I saw someone on here yestedray saying that the latest mac security updates had completely knocked out midi on his FW410......and what had I done 10 minutes before? Yup that's right....installed the bloody updates. Midi capability has completely disappeared from my system. I don't know if this is a driver issue with the 410 but I fear not as the Oxygen 8 has gone too. In fact Audio Midi Setup now crashes every time I try to run it.....you have been warned......

I see you are running 10.3.9 in your profile...is this a 10.3 security update, or a 10.4.x update?

Any time you do a security update on a Mac, do the following:

1. Unplug your audio interface
2. uninstall the driver
3. repair permissions and restart
4. run the security update
5. restart
6. install the FW410 driver
7. repair permissions
8. shut down
9. plug in the FW410
10. reboot

Works again. The install procedure is outlined in the FW410 driver's read me file.

mcconaghy wrote:Any time you do a security update on a Mac, do the following:

1. Unplug your audio interface
2. uninstall the driver
3. repair permissions and restart
4. run the security update
5. restart
6. install the FW410 driver
7. repair permissions
8. shut down
9. plug in the FW410
10. reboot

Works again. The install procedure is outlined in the FW410 driver's read me file.

all this faffing around is precisely why I don't want any m-audio device attached to my mac. (i'll stick with my maya44 usb). shame as in principle these devices should be nice.

and you can't hotplug either....i mean who reboots their mac every time they use it?!??

hotplugging my FW solo all the time... iBook G3, OSX Tiger here... no trouble

-Paws

mcconaghy wrote:repair permissions and restart

don't forget to zap your P-RAM, say your prayers and be good to the elderly

noisetonepause wrote:

mcconaghy wrote:repair permissions and restart

don't forget to zap your P-RAM, say your prayers and be good to the elderly

And wear a turtleneck sweater, drink your cats milk and keep some bears cold in the fridge.

noisetonepause wrote:hotplugging my FW solo all the time... iBook G3, OSX Tiger here... no trouble

-Paws

i stand corrected....that's good to know. thanks

I think the official word from M-Audio is if it works it works. If it don't and you fry your card and your motherboard, we don't want to know. I'm not sure it's legal but I think that's what they're saying.

I know plenty of people that hotplug. Its not like M-audio is saying something will go wrong, just that something MIGHT. So, i still think thats a bad idea, but if you dont care about frying something, then it doesnt matter.

Also, the FW410 seems like one of the worst M-Audio devices ever made. I have 4 other m-audio products and I love them, but i have never actually heard one this good about the 410. It seems to be giving M-audio a bad rap. So please, dont read this kind of thing and dismiss the entire company, because they make alot of kick-ass products. I just dont understand why they cant make the 410 perform just like every other audio interface.

I think it is a typical M-Audio problem. Sometimes I had to reinstall the Quattro-Driver forth times before it works.

greetings, claas

FYI, the MacFixIt site has been full of stuff (problems and fixes) in regards to that darn security update.

I had the same problem with the Firewire Audiophile after installing the security update. Go to M-Audio's site and download the latest drivers and reinstall them. That fixed it for me.

My 2 cents on hotplugging firewire:

1.

Hotplugged a bus-powered 2 1/2" FW HD on Tibook 500 (rev 1) - blew out FW port - only remedy, total replace of logic board NZ$1500 - then I read about the class action suits being considered by Tibook users for the out-of-spec design defect on rev 1 Tibooks that shunts 12v accross a 3v circuit if you hotswap a bus-powered device. Poos.


2. Was doing the final archive of an album project off [ANOTHER] tibook internal HD to a mains-powered 7200rpm FW drive. During the transfer I (foolishly) disconnected an *unused* FW cable that was hanging off the other port on the HD - repeat this cable was connected to NOTHING. Data transfer freezes / corruption on the 7200rpm drive. Bugger!Po^@#@&*@*&245^%#%^!!!!!

Needless to say I don't hotswap any FW these days.

that second one is very weird, and id almost have to say probably unrelated and just a coincidence, althought thats one huge coincidence.

Hey pitch black, do you have any other stories about this, maybe from other people. Im mostly curious about the fact that it seems when something does go wrong, its when plugging out, not plugging in.

I actually first saw warnings about hotplugging from M-audio. ive never actually read anything from apple or my HD company in reguards to the matter.

But honestly, its not that big of deal guys. You get use to it very quick. I stop and check myself before i unplug anything from my computer. Plus, the startup time on the new powerbooks is nothing. I have no problem shutting it down first.