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I'm getting ready for a show at the end of the month and I've got a Live set with more than 8 channels (tracks) that I'll be using in Session view with a BCF2000.

I've got the BCF set up perfectly for my needs for the first 8 tracks and my thought so far is to just copy that preset over to the next preset and just change the midi channel # to differentiate the faders etc from the first 8 tracks and then just flip between the two presets to control my live set.

MY question: Is their an easier/smarter way of doing this? Hopefully all from within the same preset - a way to use the 8 faders etc on up to 16 tracks?

Also- is their a BCF/ BCR forum anywhere? These are just the coolest controllers....

if you use it in mackie mode then you can control as many tracks as you want. they can be shifted by one or in banks of 8

longjohns wrote:if you use it in mackie mode then you can control as many tracks as you want. they can be shifted by one or in banks of 8

I was just reading about that in another thread - the problem is that I'm on a Mac and can't tell what any of the settings are and where I need to go to do what. Is there a list anywhere of the control assignments?

And thank you for the tip

yes, there are lists of the mackie control data. i just found a minimal one on the namihei mackicontrol pages. i've seen a more complete one recently but can't find it right now

you'll be able to do track faders and panning, rec, solo, mutes and some transport functions pretty easily without the viewer. where you'll really have a hard time is in FX parameters. i guess it depends on your needs.

This should work on your Mac...have you tried the B-Control Edit? You can download it here:
http://www.behringer.com/05_support/bc_ ... m?lang=ENG

when you install the drivers that allow MCE (v1.07 and above), it should include .pdf's that show you all the MCE controls on the BCF.

longjohns wrote: where you'll really have a hard time is in FX parameters. i guess it depends on your needs.

I guess I can just use the learn mode and save presets to the BCR2000 to use for the effects/softsynths etc. And use the BCF for transport/triggering functions.

droppedbeat wrote:This should work on your Mac...have you tried the B-Control Edit? You can download it here:
http://www.behringer.com/05_support/bc_ ... m?lang=ENG

Aha! I hadn't noticed the "B-CONTROL BCF2000 Emulation modes" PDF before, thanks!

I can run the B-control edit but it won't save to the unit, Behringer tech support had this to say which is a interesting work around:

"The B Control Edit applet is written as a Java application. Typically if you experience this problem, wherein the B Control Edit app launches and runs normally but is unable to establish communication with the BCF2000/BCR2000, when the computer is running a newer version of Java Runtime Edition than the B Control Edit applet was written in. Unless you're absolutely, 100% sure that there are no other Java-based applications that you'll be running on that computer, in most cases I would not recommend 'downgrading' the installed version of Java on your computer, as this could 'break' other Java-based apps on your system. As a workaround while we're waiting for an updated version of the B Control Edit applet to be released, you can create your presets in the B Control Edit utility, then store the presets as MIDI System Exclusive (.syx) files to a folder on your computer. Then use a different MIDI SysEx ed/librarian, such as, well, "SysEx Librarian" (available for free from snoize.com) to actually transfer the preset .syx MIDI file into the unit, instead of trying to do the transfer via the B Control Edit program."

donnydonny wrote:when you install the drivers that allow MCE (v1.07 and above), it should include .pdf's that show you all the MCE controls on the BCF.

I found them, thanks!

Naut.Sirius wrote:the problem is that I'm on a Mac and can't tell what any of the settings are and where I need to go to do what.

After you digest the Behringer emulation PDF, you might want to try the demos of LC Xview, a simple OS X MC screen emulation; or LC Xmu, which will let you modify those wacky button mappings in the BCF MC emulation modes (among other things). See my signature.

Naut.Sirius wrote:As a workaround while we're waiting for an updated version of the B Control Edit applet to be released, you can create your presets in the B Control Edit utility, then store the presets as MIDI System Exclusive (.syx) files to a folder on your computer.

Unfortunately this doesn't work either - BCEdit screws up the sysex writing...