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I haven't purchase a Novation Remote SL yet and I'm hesitating because of one thing. I've got a Mackie Control and I think they will overlap inside of Live's preferences.

What I mean is that Logic and Cubase will treat the Remote SL as a completely seperate entity from the MCU and any Extenders. In Live, because you have 3 slots where you can pick MCU, MC Extender, Project Mix I/O, or Remote SL, I'm thinking if slot 1 s Mackie Control and slot 2 is Remote SL, Live will try and map the first 8 channel strips to the Mackie and 9-16 on the Novation. Things would then get awkward when trying to manage faders and especially plugin parameters.

Does any of this make sense? In theory having a Remote SL and an MCU would be a sweet setup, but my fear is the two aren't meant to co-exist independently inside of Live. Can anyone tell prove otherwise?

Thanks,
MarkH

Bump, I am curious about this now that you made me think about it. I have the SL, looking at another controller +mackie emulation. Have you tried emailing the abes?

I don't use Mackie mode on my BCR because I can't load presets onto it but I use it for MIDI cc control (10 presets worth). I can use the SL25 at the same time, no problems.

The code that made automap work was built into ver. 5.2 (byte compiled python script on the Live end), Mackie mode was doable from the early days of the BCR. I think it's a safe bet they'll play together well.

If you can help me get my BCR loading presets from the PC I can test this out. I have the file, the upload times out instantly.

DeadlyKungFu wrote:If you can help me get my BCR loading presets from the PC I can test this out. I have the file, the upload times out instantly.

Upload it using midi ox... it'll work.

Machinate wrote:

DeadlyKungFu wrote:If you can help me get my BCR loading presets from the PC I can test this out. I have the file, the upload times out instantly.

Upload it using midi ox... it'll work.

Many thanks man, you never cease to amaze me.

I've been trying for months to get that to work! Regardless, I can backup my home brewed presets!

Damn, it's 1:15am, do I go to bed and get lots of sleep for work or play with Mackie mode?




I wouldn't be able to sleep!


BTW Twiddling the faders on the SL25 and the BCR works fine. The SL25 readout follows the BCR's knobs but the BCR's LEDs don't track the SL25's movements.

Anyone know where there's the best buiild of Mackie mode? If I remember right there's a few out there.

not sure I understand but as someone who got the 37 sl, I'll try to put in my two cents.

automapping is not "auto"mapping. It is a. whatever has already been "mapped" by someone else. It's not anywhere near what novation claims it to be.....and it's picky. It'll feel like it's not working, then it'll go into gear.

Now for the controllers not working side by side...at first.......the sl 37 did not play nice with my icontrol. But eventually, it did.

I really beleive the problem is that instead of one "do all" installer, it's a hodge-poge of things to get it up to snuff.

I think that right now is a very tough time for midi controllers.......

Oh, I forgot to add.......if you have a mackie controller (the universal?) most of what the novation does is redundant/overkill.....the mackie will in all likely do it better..............

ok, dkf will chime in now.............I'm sure of it

busted!!! I'll bite.

I think where Mackie mode will help are times when I want to re-arrange tracks, change their order and whatnot. I'm really happy with the MIDI CC# presets I made on the BCR for 8 tracks, 4 sends etc. BUT everything is pretty set in stone. From what I understand in Mackie mode knob 1 controls fader on track 1 no matter how you drag tracks around.

Automapping IMO is great for keyboard players because you can click on a .vst window and get into that synth to tweak it straight off. I can see myself tweaking a project with the SL25 to find the cool knobs on a synth's patch then assigning them to a BCRknob, set in stone. Who knows, there's so much you can do with Live, I'll never live long enough to do half of it.

It's not worked out yet for Live, I haven't used it with any other DAWs. Fader jump is my only real complaint.

Now I have all 3.

Gotta squeeze the most out of the weekend. More Live, less internet, sheesh!


Although VH1 is showing a cool bio on Glenn Tillbrook, solo on the road years after Squeeze, cool dude.

logic pro.....that was/ (is?) my test...........

again, this is a wierd beast. It's boxed up to go back...............but I'm sure I'll dig it back up tomarrow (me..........fickle?......naaaaaaaa)

I just get paranoid when I cough up money...............

there is a list of things that have me going "buh bye".......but. Then I plug in the old keyboard and it's like........ugggggg........these keys just bite...........

I'll have drink......I mean......sleep on it some more..............

Oh.....forgot to say.....for techies and "bling" lovers.......it's just as sexy as a keyboard controller can be. Had my folks over for dinner........mom said "wow, that is a really neat looking thingy....."

Anybody reverse engineer that automapping thing yet?

I've tried by asking some SL users to send me the output of the messages.
But its pretty useless if you don't have a unit to cross reference it with.

We need something like this http://members.aol.com/mhigrules/MCMap.htm

What i really need is for somebody to figure out the bank changes messages on the SL. Try them out without the SL. (using a 'normal' midi controller with the SL protocol)
Once we know how those work. It'll be pretty easy to put the implementation in chart for users without a SL.

I don't care much for the controller to be honest. But i'm really pissed off, because SL users have more access to Live's features then any other Live users. I mean, wtf?

I wonna control everything too. I just wonna do it with the controllers i have.

I agree hoffman2k, I'd love to be able to get automapping working in my mackie C4.

I did find a midi implementation chart in this doc...

http://www.novationmusic.com/files/ReMO ... al_1_1.pdf

I wonder how feasible it would be to create a C4 wrapper around the remote SL protocol?

Andy.

ok I've figured how the C4 display messages work and I've managed to see how live sends remot-sl sysex whenever plugins are clicked, etc.

This happens in sets of 8 so I assume there are up/down buttons on the Remote SL which scroll through these parameters, causing live to send a new sysex for the new set of 8

Can anyone provide me with these up/down select messages (RemoteSL to Live)?

Cheers!

Yeah. i've checked out that implementation chart in the manual.
Looks like a tic-tac-toe game. Nothing of real use in there.

DeadlyKungFu wrote:

Machinate wrote:

DeadlyKungFu wrote:If you can help me get my BCR loading presets from the PC I can test this out. I have the file, the upload times out instantly.

Upload it using midi ox... it'll work.

Many thanks man, you never cease to amaze me.

I've been trying for months to get that to work!

Indeed I don't
[EDIT:] The files are on the Downloads page of our website - I've thrown in my "16 presets, 16 midi channels" setup as well.

Echo that mate

To clarify my last post, I think I'm referring to the Remote SL scroll up/down buttons or row select buttons.

Does anyone know the midi messages for these buttons?