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I use Live as a dj tool, but if I were to ever consider mixing in Live at any level, these would be some requests.


First off, before anything else - A MONO switch on the stereo master. This is an obvious MUST to any engineer. Without one, your flopping around like a dolphin in the desert during a mixdown. A mono switch for quick instant monitoring/comparing/A-B'ing is a must.

Second - Numbered meters and make them accurate. They are off.

Third - Phase flip and channel reverse.

Fourth - Make the hipass/low cut more accurate on the EQ4. Quick accurate transparent high pass thats not cpu intensive should be a domestic/built-in must in any DAW. I could give a @$%* what else the EQ4 sounds like or can do, as long as the high pass works solid up to around 150Hz. Current Eq4 does not. And using the power of a UAD, URS or a Waves Netshell running diamond is a waste of valuable resources where a mere "high pass" is concerned. Make the EQ4 cut properly when a high pass is inserted.

These things alone in Live would be a Huge leap forward.



2 pennies. . .

Jackal and Hyde wrote: First off, before anything else - A MONO switch on the stereo master. This is an obvious MUST to any engineer. Without one, your flopping around like a dolphin in the desert during a mixdown. A mono switch for quick instant monitoring/comparing/A-B'ing is a must.

Yeah, great idea. Although most nice monitoring systems can do that with a button.

Jackal and Hyde wrote: Second - Numbered meters and make them accurate. They are off.

Just out of curiosity, what would you do with better meters?

All i want them to do is tell me that there's signal present or not and if it's clipping. What do you do with the numbers? seriously, i've never had anyone be able to answer that.

Jackal and Hyde wrote: Third - Phase flip and channel reverse.

Utility plug in for phase.
What do you mean by channel reverse?

Jackal and Hyde wrote: Fourth - Make the hipass/low cut more accurate on the EQ4. Quick accurate transparent high pass thats not cpu intensive should be a domestic/built-in must in any DAW. I could give a @$%* what else the EQ4 sounds like or can do, as long as the high pass works solid up to around 150Hz. Current Eq4 does not. And using the power of a UAD, URS or a Waves Netshell running diamond is a waste of valuable resources where a mere "high pass" is concerned. Make the EQ4 cut properly when a high pass is inserted.

Huh, interesting, i use eq4 for LP an HP all the time and it doesn't bother me. What in particular is bothering you? Is the slope too gentle for you? You might try multiple eq4s in a chain to make the slope more drastic.





I'm not trying to be a dick, but those are my questions to you.



Also, i'm wondering how you could leave out the more obvious DAW stuff like solo isolate, mix and edit groups, and external key inputs for gates and compressors.



.lm.

leisuremuffin wrote:

Jackal and Hyde wrote: First off, before anything else - A MONO switch on the stereo master. This is an obvious MUST to any engineer. Without one, your flopping around like a dolphin in the desert during a mixdown. A mono switch for quick instant monitoring/comparing/A-B'ing is a must.

"" *Yeah, great idea. Although most nice monitoring systems can do that with a button. ""


^^^^<<<<<Really? "Most" ? Try a couple of RARE systems or a jerry rigged radio shack switch...And why wouldnt I want that feature right inside my mixing enviorment at a glance/touch? >>>>>>> Please explain.

Jackal and Hyde wrote: Second - Numbered meters and make them accurate. They are off.

"" *Just out of curiosity, what would you do with better meters?
All i want them to do is tell me that there's signal present or not and if it's clipping. What do you do with the numbers? seriously, i've never had anyone be able to answer that. ""


^^^^<<<...You've got to be kidding. >>>>>

Jackal and Hyde wrote: Third - Phase flip and channel reverse.

"" *Utility plug in for phase.
What do you mean by channel reverse? ""



<<<<<<Get off the couch & google "channel reverse". >>>>>>>

Jackal and Hyde wrote: Fourth - Make the hipass/low cut more accurate on the EQ4. Quick accurate transparent high pass thats not cpu intensive should be a domestic/built-in must in any DAW. I could give a @$%* what else the EQ4 sounds like or can do, as long as the high pass works solid up to around 150Hz. Current Eq4 does not. And using the power of a UAD, URS or a Waves Netshell running diamond is a waste of valuable resources where a mere "high pass" is concerned. Make the EQ4 cut properly when a high pass is inserted.

"" *Huh, interesting, i use eq4 for LP an HP all the time and it doesn't bother me. ""



<<<< "Huh" ? It doesnt bother you? I'll report that to Steven Spielberg & Timbaland... Lives EQ4 doesnt bother "leisuremuffin". >>>> ATTENTION EVERYONE AT THE LIVE PROGRAMMING BUILDING! ! ! THE EQ4 DOES NOT BOTHER "leisuremuffin" SO DON'T TOUCH IT!>>>> lol







"" *What in particular is bothering you? Is the slope too gentle for you? You might try multiple eq4s in a chain to make the slope more drastic. ""


<<<<<<How bout, it doesnt work. How about you high pass at 200hz and the speakers are still shaking? And your solution to put 5 of'em in a row to get the result is ABSURD and a waste of cpu power and just an all around dumb idea/pain in the ass to a problem thats a pretty easy fix for the programmers at Ableton>>>>>








"" *I'm not trying to be a dick, but those are my questions to you. ""



^^^^^<<<<No your not being a dick at all. Your just asking the questions of an unexpirienced non engineer. >>>>>>


"" *Also, i'm wondering how you could leave out the more obvious DAW stuff like solo isolate, mix and edit groups, and external key inputs for gates and compressors. ""



^^^^ ... This has got to be a joke someone's playing on me...... "solo-isolate?" First off the progam "solo-isolates" just fine, 2nd you can throw tracks into a "group" no prob and a person like yourself that doesnt know wtf "channel reverse" is, copying and pasting somthing like - "external key inputs for gates and compressors" really brites up my day with laughter. Thank you.

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For mono :I use a 'Utility' across the master, set permanently to width =0%
I turn it off in normal use,then when I want to go to mono I turn it on.
very useful



I use utility for basic 180 degree phase stuff also

wow, you're an asshole.



.lm.

mono - every good desk (neve, ssl, midas, etc etc...) i have ever used in a pro setting has been able to swith to mono out for monitoring. Where are you working? Or any montioring solution for a digital studio, ie, makie big knob. Mind you, i did say that it wasn't a bad idea for the program to do it. Of course, as angstrom points out, the plug you don't know exits, utility, does this anyway.


please explain how i can solo isolate a bus track.

example, i bus all of my drums to a stereo track to effect as a group, now i want to solo the snare. Sorry hommes, not possible right now.




on metering, no, i'm not joking, please explain what you do with the numbered meters. I don't know of ANY use other than setting input level. Name one for me.



channel reverse? i'm sorry i don't know what you're talking about, but you didn't know you could flip phase with the utility plug and *i'm* an idiot????



eq4 doesn't work? it's news to me.



.lm.

leisuremuffin wrote:wow, you're an asshole.



.lm.

This coming from someone whos unprovoked post is filled with so much arrogance and smugness that he has to end his own post with "I'm not trying to act like a DICK" and then further drives the "dickness" home with an arrogant "i'm just wondering how you could leave out the more obvious DAW stuff".

Yea, your a real victim.

Angstrom wrote:For mono :I use a 'Utility' across the master, set permanently to width =0%
I turn it off in normal use,then when I want to go to mono I turn it on.
very useful



I use utility for basic 180 degree phase stuff also

Thanks for the tip.

i'm smug?


ok sure, but also correct.




.lm.

leisuremuffin wrote:
please explain how i can solo isolate a bus track.

example, i bus all of my drums to a stereo track to effect as a group, now i want to solo the snare. Sorry hommes, not possible right now.





.lm.

If you must know, in a PC you hold down the control key. I'm sure in a Mac the 'apple key' will work just as well. In a Pc you just solo a sound, and then cntrl key the bus its routed to. Then holding cntrl you can turn on & off all the different sound/channels going to that bus by hitting thier solos.


Hope that helps you and makes you a happy person today.

Jackal and Hyde wrote:

leisuremuffin wrote:
please explain how i can solo isolate a bus track.

example, i bus all of my drums to a stereo track to effect as a group, now i want to solo the snare. Sorry hommes, not possible right now.





.lm.

If you must know, in a PC you hold down the control key. I'm sure in a Mac the 'apple key' will work just as well. In a Pc you just solo a sound, and then cntrl key the bus its routed to. Then holding cntrl you can turn on & off all the different sound/channels going to that bus by hitting thier solos.


Hope that helps you and makes you a happy person today.

That's nice, and i'm aware of that, but it's still not the same as being able to solo isolate the bus track. As i'm sure you realize since you are so much more experienced than I.




.lm.

I would like numbered meters too (As accurate as possible)
I think the other ideas are good requests also.

kineticUk wrote:I would like numbered meters too (As accurate as possible)
I think the other ideas are good requests also.

likewise

yes the utility on the master is great for soloing and phase tricks

no the meters are not accurate and - while its not the end of the world - more accurate gain controls and metering are necessary -

hopefully the ability to type values in directly on the sliders will come as well: in both session and arrange

we need true group soling and true sidechaining for sure, basic features, keep getting left out

really, really hoping ableon is true to thier word, and are making checklists of more of the solid, basic features that keep slipping thru the cracks ever year

and will give us more of those this time around - than flashy, attention getting features (which, while very cool when they work) might not work 100% if at all
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yeah, soloing bus tracks is pretty close to first on my list - I guess Ableton refers to as "solo in place" - you used to not be able to do that with returns for those who've forgotten - meaning I think it's not so much they left it out, just havent put it there yet! (If that makes sense?!! )

as for the mono/invert stuff, Jackall, just save a utility plug-in on the master in your template file then you'll always have those functions on hand

metering - well that's flavour of the month round here right now so I'd say they've heard it..


and as for the EQing - well, let's just say my lips are sealed