XONE: 3D???
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:26 am
Is the XONE: 3D Worth it??? I mean before I go spend close to $3000, I just want to know your input. Thanks
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XONE: 3D???
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Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 4:39 am
I'd say hell no.
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:22 am
never in a million years
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:08 am
if i could find a place that would give me a straight forward price to custom build what i want in NYC, i wouldn't care about the A&H, but since i have not found such a company, or electrical and machining genius (not to mention computer programmer), I will probably end up getting the 3D unless something better comes out by september...
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:01 am
My Xone 3D arrives by UPS today.
I'll post a report once I have played with it.
I only paid $2,000, though.
I'll post a report once I have played with it.
I only paid $2,000, though.
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:26 am
IMHO, oversized, overpriced, and already redundant for use as a MIDI controller. All non/minimally-configurable and non-modular controllers are virtually out of date by the time they're released, given the accelerated rate of software development.
Kinda depends on what you're doing with it, though...
Kinda depends on what you're doing with it, though...
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:29 am
From a Dj perspective:
The only hope is that perhaps this becomes the house mixer in every club and bar you are likely to play in which is perhaps a little unlikely. There's no way most DJs will want to lug one of these things around, particularly at the price it is.
Personally I'm just about to purchase a xone 62. I'll control Live from my Faderfox.
The only hope is that perhaps this becomes the house mixer in every club and bar you are likely to play in which is perhaps a little unlikely. There's no way most DJs will want to lug one of these things around, particularly at the price it is.
Personally I'm just about to purchase a xone 62. I'll control Live from my Faderfox.
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:35 am
I wouldn't bother. Its well overpriced and too large to carry around, plus you'd always need to make sure there would be room to set-it up at gigs, as well as dealing with arsy club sound engineers.
I dunno why they couldn't have just produced a unit that was simply an extensive midi controller with a built in soundcard. The analogue mixer section in the middle would be redundant for most Live users, although the filters are nice, you can easily model your own using eq4.
Its soooo frustrating how these companies seem to get these products so wrong, they may listen to top flight DJ's such as Chris Liebing during the design stages, but come on, all we want is something like a UC33e with better build quality and a built in soundcard.
How f***ing hard can that be REALLY!!!!
The guys that design and build these products are all muppets.
I dunno why they couldn't have just produced a unit that was simply an extensive midi controller with a built in soundcard. The analogue mixer section in the middle would be redundant for most Live users, although the filters are nice, you can easily model your own using eq4.
Its soooo frustrating how these companies seem to get these products so wrong, they may listen to top flight DJ's such as Chris Liebing during the design stages, but come on, all we want is something like a UC33e with better build quality and a built in soundcard.
How f***ing hard can that be REALLY!!!!
The guys that design and build these products are all muppets.
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:58 am
My biggest issue with the smaller midi controllers is that they're so tiny or feel cheap. I don't want a few small sliders to play with. I come from a DJing background when working live and the last thing I want is to feel like I'm playing with a toy. The FaderFox stuff for example is very portable but I'd feel ridiculous playing on it. The appeal of the 3D as a control IS the size for me. The same way a turntable is a more desirable controller to manipulate music then a small CDJ is. Tactile is KEY. As far as the 3D not needing the analog part? I personally think it's great - it's the biggest thing missing from the other controllers. Things like fast cutting, eq and analog filters are essential as plugin equivalents are just too slow at the moment. The midi controls are good for some stuff - analog control is better for others. I would have no problem getting a flight-case built for the 3D and traveling with that, a laptop of sorts and a few extra synths (which can be run into the 3D). I guess the weirdest thing I find about the 3D bash-fest on various boards is that people all work differently and that people's opinions never seem to reflect an understanding of that. I for example don't find the FaderFox products personally useful due to their size but I can imagine them very useful for a lot of people.stealth1 wrote:I wouldn't bother. Its well overpriced and too large to carry around, plus you'd always need to make sure there would be room to set-it up at gigs, as well as dealing with arsy club sound engineers.
I dunno why they couldn't have just produced a unit that was simply an extensive midi controller with a built in soundcard. The analogue mixer section in the middle would be redundant for most Live users, although the filters are nice, you can easily model your own using eq4..
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:06 pm
You obviously don't have the space problems I've seen here in the DJ booths over there!hujib wrote: My biggest issue with the smaller midi controllers is that they're so tiny or feel cheap. I don't want a few small sliders to play with. I come from a DJing background when working live and the last thing I want is to feel like I'm playing with a toy. The FaderFox stuff for example is very portable but I'd feel ridiculous playing on it. The appeal of the 3D as a control IS the size for me. The same way a turntable is a more desirable controller to manipulate music then a small CDJ is. Tactile is KEY. As far as the 3D not needing the analog part? I personally think it's great - it's the biggest thing missing from the other controllers. Things like fast cutting, eq and analog filters are essential as plugin equivalents are just too slow at the moment. The midi controls are good for some stuff - analog control is better for others. I would have no problem getting a flight-case built for the 3D and traveling with that, a laptop of sorts and a few extra synths (which can be run into the 3D). I guess the weirdest thing I find about the 3D bash-fest on various boards is that people all work differently and that people's opinions never seem to reflect an understanding of that. I for example don't find the FaderFox products personally useful due to their size but I can imagine them very useful for a lot of people.
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:07 pm
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if you want to make fast cuts or "play" the surface like an analog dj mixer you will definitley need the functionality.
However If you buy a good sound interface with enough connections, you can route your audio through the channels of a "normal" dj mixer, wich sits in every club already. combined with a controller you will have all functionality of the 3d for one third of the price.
...good point! especially good fader and eq are a real problem with current controllers...hujib wrote:
My biggest issue with the smaller midi controllers is that they're so tiny or feel cheap. I don't want a few small sliders to play with. I come from a DJing background when working live and the last thing I want is to feel like I'm playing with a toy. The FaderFox stuff for example is very portable but I'd feel ridiculous playing on it. The appeal of the 3D as a control IS the size for me. The same way a turntable is a more desirable controller to manipulate music then a small CDJ is. Tactile is KEY. As far as the 3D not needing the analog part? I personally think it's great - it's the biggest thing missing from the other controllers. Things like fast cutting, eq and analog filters are essential as plugin equivalents are just too slow at the moment. The midi controls are good for some stuff - analog control is better for others. I would have no problem getting a flight-case built for the 3D and traveling with that, a laptop of sorts and a few extra synths (which can be run into the 3D). I guess the weirdest thing I find about the 3D bash-fest on various boards is that people all work differently and that people's opinions never seem to reflect an understanding of that. I for example don't find the FaderFox products personally useful due to their size but I can imagine them very useful for a lot of people.
if you want to make fast cuts or "play" the surface like an analog dj mixer you will definitley need the functionality.
However If you buy a good sound interface with enough connections, you can route your audio through the channels of a "normal" dj mixer, wich sits in every club already. combined with a controller you will have all functionality of the 3d for one third of the price.
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:08 pm
That's exactly why I've decided on a xone 62.Nixon wrote:...good point! especially good fader and eq are a real problem with current controllers...
if you want to make fast cuts or "play" the surface like an analog dj mixer you will definitley need the functionality.
However If you buy a good sound interface with enough connections, you can route your audio through the channels of a "normal" dj mixer, wich sits in every club already. combined with a controller you will have all functionality of the 3d for one third of the price.
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:12 pm
inderdeed!
Yesterday I decided to NOT build a custom dj mixer style controller, but a small unit wich can start clips, controler effects/sends and live's tempo/tempo/looping, and built an ultralite in there.
This way I will be able to control live and use the mixer in the place of the performance, and I will only have to take my vinyl this small controller and my laptop....wich is musch less then before!
Yesterday I decided to NOT build a custom dj mixer style controller, but a small unit wich can start clips, controler effects/sends and live's tempo/tempo/looping, and built an ultralite in there.
This way I will be able to control live and use the mixer in the place of the performance, and I will only have to take my vinyl this small controller and my laptop....wich is musch less then before!
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:13 pm
Yeah, its a good option, and one I've been messing around with for a while. There are pro's and cons, but it totally depends on the way you work.
Will this subject ever come to a conclusion???
I think not...
peace
Will this subject ever come to a conclusion???
I think not...
peace
Posted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 12:13 pm
Nixon, great plan. Picture when you have them?Nixon wrote:inderdeed!
Yesterday I decided to NOT build a custom dj mixer style controller, but a small unit wich can start clips, controler effects/sends and live's tempo/tempo/looping, and built an ultralite in there.