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Ways of Thinking about Rhythm

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:33 am
by ethios4
I've been building this theory of rhythm as it relates to dance for awhile now, so I thought I'd give my best shot at sharing it for discussion. Bear in mind that this discussion is based upon study of 4/4 rhythms only; I have not developed these ideas for application to other rhythmic structures. Here goes...

There are two basic rhythms:
Symmetric rhythms arise when you divide a period of time by 2. 12121212. This is a basically dualistic rhythm and, if used as such, can serve as an excellent machine of tension/release. As an example, observe how the basic "KhKhKhKh" rhythm of house music is tension and release on a micro scale (K=kick h=hihat). If you have only the kick, you get a plodding kind of rhythm, but when you add in the hihat on the upbeat, you're head starts bobbing and your feet start moving.*

The basic pattern - the "1" is dominant and holds the rhythm together. It is the ground center. The "2" is the "other" and all it represents in relation to the "1". So the tendency of the "2" is to inevitably pull back to the "1". "2>1" equals tension>release.

Asymmetric rhythms arise when you divide time by 3. 123123123123. With this rhythmic mode there is no clean dualism going on as there are in symmetric rhythms. The "1" is still dominant, but the "upbeat" can be either the 2 or 3, and often the 2 and 3 function together as the "upbeat". In this rhythmic mode there is, in fact, a duality present within the upbeat - between 2 and 3. Interestingly, a "swung" symmetric rhythm is one in which the upbeat leans more to one side of the asymmetric mode.

Syncopation arises when you juxtapose a symmetric pattern against an asymmetric pattern, and introduce a pattern of tension/release. Let's break this down...
Here's what happens when you juxtapose a symmetric pattern against an asymmetric pattern (this is called hemiola in Western classical terms)...
121212121212...
123123123123...

By analyzing this you will see that there is no resolution to the pattern. The "1" of both patterns never line up in terms that both can agree on. They line up every 3 cycles for the symmetric rhythm, and every 2 cycles for the asymmetric rhythm. So the 2 would have to resolve on the 3's terms, and the 3 would have to resolve on the 2's terms. So the pattern keeps revolving around itself forever. Hearing these two rhythms juxtaposed causes tension in our brain/psyche because it is trying to hold two things at once on independant terms without compromising either, but this is very difficult without training. You can experience this by playing 2 against 3, and try to hear each on it's own terms simultaneously. It's even more fun to try to play one in each hand. A further aspect of this pattern is that the "1" of the asymmetric pattern is alternating between the downbeat and upbeat of the symmetric pattern.

So this pattern sets up a system of creating tension that can then be resolved to great effect. The resolution happens when one rhythm "compromises" and is truncated for the sake of resolving on the other's terms**. For example...
12121212|12121212
12312312|12312312

It turns out this pattern of syncopation, 3+3+2, is very very common in all forms of dance music. It is a dominant rhythm in hiphop, breaks, and dnb; it is often a sub-rhythm in house, techno, trance, and disco - eg, basslines, percussion patterns. It shows up in rock all over the place, as well. It also shows up in many permutations - 2+3+3, 3+2+3. Once you begin to listen for the 332, you will hear it everywhere.

The basic pattern going on here that makes this such a popular rhythm is the juxtaposition of symmetric against asymmetric for tension, and the releasing of the tension through truncation of the symmetric rhythm. This is further enhanced when the "1" of the asymmetric pattern hits on the upbeat of the symmetric pattern, thus accenting the duality within the dominant rhythm.

By layering several of these rhythms, with careful attention paid to the patterns of tension>release, one can achieve the desired effect known as funk. :D
Nah, funk has to come from the heart and body, as well as the mind!

Well, that's all I got right now. Let me know what you think. Hopefully this discussion will open some doors...

-ethios4




* This dualism also manifests culturally. As an example, Western European classical music is heavily downbeat centered. Folk music from certain cultures, perhaps most notably from West African cultures, has much more emphasis on the upbeat. As these cultures combined in the form of rock-n-roll, music began to have much more emphasis on the "backbeat" because of it's rousing dance energy, meanwhile being denigrated in more elite cultures as being dirty, vulgar, suggestive, carnal music. This was also happening at a time in America when white and black cultures were becoming more and more integrated. Interesting...

**Seeing dance rhythm in this way inevitably leads me to contemplate syncopation as a metaphor for conflict resolution, and in fact the union of opposites within the realm of dualistic existence - political, marital, spiritual.

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:23 am
by M. Bréqs
You've pretty much hit the nail on the head there for rythmic syncopation. I found some other useful tricks (that are probably old hat to the music theory guys and professional percussionists out there).

1234 | 1234 | 1234 | 1234
1231 | 2312 | 3123 | 1231

This repeats the triplet's 1 downbeat right before the start of the phrase anew. You can vary this one single beat or I prefer to cut it out completely.

Also try:

1234 | 1234 | 1234 | 1234
1234 | 5123 | 4512 | 3451

Again, the quintuplet's 1 downbeat repeats right before the repetition of the phrase. Again, silence here works wonders.

Lastly, try this:

1234 | 1234 | 1234 | 1234
123456 | 123456 | 123456 | 123456

Example here (listen to the bassline, 6/4 time compared to the 4/4 beat):

http://www.garageband.com/song?|pe1|S8LTM0LdsaSnZlG3Zm8

(Link doesn't work, copy and paste into your browser)

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 5:30 am
by timothyallan
Love stuff like this. Thanks guys.


I've got some programming to do tonight ;)

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 6:05 am
by Pitch Black
3's over 4's = trance out maaan! :D

I like how if you're counting 4's on the bottom, counting 3's over the top is actually "anticipating" or putting each downbeat-of-3 one earlier. Very exciting - its like the downbeat is rushing forwards towards you.

When I bought my first synth, an SH101, I used to program a 3 note sequence of C-Eb-F and trip out to that over a CR8000 Compu-Rhythm drum machine... Tangerine Dream Phaedra styles! :wink:

beatz + the bodymind

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:36 am
by terragong
so why can i meditate on complex indian tabla beatz a beat that draws one to inside trance and get happy !!! to out side trance
with samba stuff from brasil ....
keep one thats great....

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:42 am
by hambone1
Great stuff! I'm learning more and more about playing live Latin percussion. It's a lot more difficult than it sounds, so a bit of theory helps a lot.

The Latigo plug-in is a fantastic way to learn, too.

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:37 am
by leonard
"Beat presently imposes itself as the martial law controlling all expression. Music is now only music if legitimized by Beat. And the dancehall represents society under disco lockdown."

Re: beatz + the bodymind

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:52 am
by rikhyray
terragong wrote:so why can i meditate on complex indian tabla beatz a beat that draws one to inside trance and get happy !!! to out side trance
with samba stuff from brasil ....
keep one thats great....
Because it is mostly highly complex, rich and sophisticated. The ideas given in other posts we teach to beginners,5- 6 years old in India, then proceed with really advanced mathematics combinations of 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 against each other, parallel lines so specially South Indian musicians are increadibly good at mathematics in general. Not too many examples of that outside India except for few guys like Vinnie Colauita, John McLaughlin. Check some of the new Shakti stuff both percussionists are increadible at it. Specially my home boy Selva Ganesh.
There is Cheffy`s book by NY drummers cooperative with some great ideas to apply to any instrumentor music, probably the most popular drummer among non drummers, kind of rhythmic holy grail. I think it is called Drum patterns and the part 2 is the exciting one.

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:07 pm
by Michael-SW
Great stuff, thanks. While I can program a decent sounding DnB break on a good day, I'm totally lacking the theoretical framwork as to why some rythms sound funky and other suck.

If someone would care to elaborate the above to a Dnb/break setting I would be very grateful!

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:24 pm
by rikhyray
The notes that are not played (though expected) bring more life, funk, then the ones heard. Since historically speaking DnB are mostly sped up funkl samples (audio or midi) substracting notes, experimenting with volumes ( the ghost hits are the magical ones mostly), tone (LFOs anything you can think of or find by coincidence) moving starting point etc, etc 10001 ways to make things more exciting. Like in sex variety works better then just banging (though some women/audiences might be less demanding)

Re: Ways of Thinking about Rhythm

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 1:49 pm
by 5dots
ethios4 wrote:It turns out this pattern of syncopation, 3+3+2, is very very common in all forms of dance music. It is a dominant rhythm in hiphop, breaks, and dnb; it is often a sub-rhythm in house, techno, trance, and disco - eg, basslines, percussion patterns. It shows up in rock all over the place, as well. It also shows up in many permutations - 2+3+3, 3+2+3. Once you begin to listen for the 332, you will hear it everywhere.
Of course, the 332 pattern is most obvious and prevalent in dancehall and reggaeton beats, which are practically gauranteed to make you want to move your body.

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:04 pm
by TheAnimal
bump!

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:16 pm
by the ar
rikhyray wrote:Like in sex variety works better then just banging (though some women/audiences might be less demanding)
ahah
Word. :D

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 2:17 pm
by Angstrom
you bumped a thead from 9 minutes ago?
Exactly How current do you want this?

8O

One issue which follows on from rikhyray's comment on leaving notes out - the classic 'funk' beat often has, in addition to syncopation, a gap at the end (technical terminology there). It helps the relative dynamics of the 'one' but also the tension aspect is rhythmically equivalent in some ways to the melodic leading-in power of the 7th to root resolve.
Actually in my mind it is more equivalent to a 2nd to root resolve, but perhaps that's just me.

Re: beatz + the bodymind

Posted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:04 pm
by forge
rikhyray wrote:
terragong wrote:so why can i meditate on complex indian tabla beatz a beat that draws one to inside trance and get happy !!! to out side trance
with samba stuff from brasil ....
keep one thats great....
Because it is mostly highly complex, rich and sophisticated. The ideas given in other posts we teach to beginners,5- 6 years old in India, then proceed with really advanced mathematics combinations of 3,4,5,6,7,8,9 against each other, parallel lines so specially South Indian musicians are increadibly good at mathematics in general. Not too many examples of that outside India except for few guys like Vinnie Colauita, John McLaughlin. Check some of the new Shakti stuff both percussionists are increadible at it. Specially my home boy Selva Ganesh.
There is Cheffy`s book by NY drummers cooperative with some great ideas to apply to any instrumentor music, probably the most popular drummer among non drummers, kind of rhythmic holy grail. I think it is called Drum patterns and the part 2 is the exciting one.
actually from what I've heard I've always thought the classical indian musicians are the best in the world - the skill and discipline invoved in it is frequently staggering

likewise the Japanese martial arts drummers like Yamato etc are very impressive