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[ Auto change Instrument and Patches ]

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:31 am
by julienb
is there a possibility to program in clips or elsewhere a patch change??

it could be so useful !!!

Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:10 am
by rbmonosylabik
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:15 pm
by PhilMul
This allows you establish a patch change at the beginning of the clip. But, how can you make several patch changes within the clip? ...and then edit the envelope after you record and go in and change let's say the 2nd patch change from 37 to 85?

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:11 am
by julienb
rbmonosylabik wrote:Image
hey !!! of course, I use it if I use an external synth program able to understand Program Change etc etc..


but what should we do for changing a patch of an operator with only BANK/SubBank/Program???

I think it is impossible... :-(

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 2:48 pm
by PhilMul
julienb wrote:hey !!! of course, I use it if I use an external synth program able to understand Program Change etc etc..


but what should we do for changing a patch of an operator with only BANK/SubBank/Program???

I think it is impossible... :-(
I know how to do it! :lol: Import the MIDI into Nuendo, Cubase or any other sequencer out there, use its list editor to edit the Program Change and then import to MIDI file back into Live! :wink: This should only take about 5 minutes and another $300 - $2,000. :(

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:10 pm
by hoffman2k
Racks in Live 6 ;)

Crossfade from 1 preset to the other...

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 4:17 pm
by PhilMul
hoffman2k wrote:Racks in Live 6 ;)

Crossfade from 1 preset to the other...
Now we're talkin' 8O

Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 5:51 pm
by julienb
if "racks" => I'll upgrade!

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 7:29 pm
by frogger
hoffman2k wrote:Racks in Live 6 ;)

Crossfade from 1 preset to the other...
I was just looking for the answer to how to do this the other day...
Nice one!!

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 8:44 pm
by Machinate
hoffman2k wrote:Racks in Live 6 ;)

Crossfade from 1 preset to the other...
I like this one more:
Turn knob to Switch between your favourite presets.

Or this one:
Set up clip envelopes to automatically switch between all the presets you need in a song.

:)

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 9:47 pm
by julienb
Machinate wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:Racks in Live 6 ;)

Crossfade from 1 preset to the other...
I like this one more:
Turn knob to Switch between your favourite presets.

Or this one:
Set up clip envelopes to automatically switch between all the presets you need in a song.

:)
I have 7 instruments (ie tracks) in my live.
I have 10 or 20 or more songs in my live
7x10 = 70 patches
...and... I use an external controller (midi mapping)

I cannot use these technical tips...

That I would like to do is impossible for the moment... but i know that I'm not the only person who want to do this...

I'll continue by drag'n'dropping my patches, it works perfectly, even if it is a little bit annoying...

ciao²

Posted: Mon Sep 11, 2006 10:02 pm
by Machinate
julienb wrote:
Machinate wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:Racks in Live 6 ;)

Crossfade from 1 preset to the other...
I like this one more:
Turn knob to Switch between your favourite presets.

Or this one:
Set up clip envelopes to automatically switch between all the presets you need in a song.

:)
I have 7 instruments (ie tracks) in my live.
I have 10 or 20 or more songs in my live
7x10 = 70 patches
...and... I use an external controller (midi mapping)

I cannot use these technical tips...
In Live 6 you can. No problem. My set isn't as big (yet), it only has 4 synth racks with 5-10 synths in each. It works :)

Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:20 am
by julienb
My wish would be : makes a track only for "configuration/preset" (ie sysex tracks..)

On this track, I could create clips that could automatically change the patch of all my operator/simpler/impulse which are on the other tracks!

*But I repeat: the drag'n'drop method for changing sounds is cool yet... not the ideal, but it works (of course!)

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:37 pm
by hoffman2k
What you need is a combination of dummy clips and Live clips.

Check the live clips tutorial http://www.thecovertoperators.com/downloads.php

The dummy clips introduction http://www.teragon.org/wiki/index.php?title=Dummy_Clips

And a tips and tricks thread about dummy clips http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... highlight=

Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:40 pm
by hoffman2k
julienb wrote:
Machinate wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:Racks in Live 6 ;)

Crossfade from 1 preset to the other...
I like this one more:
Turn knob to Switch between your favourite presets.

Or this one:
Set up clip envelopes to automatically switch between all the presets you need in a song.

:)
I have 7 instruments (ie tracks) in my live.
I have 10 or 20 or more songs in my live
7x10 = 70 patches
...and... I use an external controller (midi mapping)

I cannot use these technical tips...

That I would like to do is impossible for the moment... but i know that I'm not the only person who want to do this...

I'll continue by drag'n'dropping my patches, it works perfectly, even if it is a little bit annoying...

ciao²
Keep the technique in mind for Live 6. Once you get the right mindset, you'll be able to make "modular" songs.
Modular in the sense: you'll be able to make a live set layout that can handle any song.
Perhaps even all your songs in one set.
Thats still experimental though :wink: