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For the first time, this evening the Italian public television has transmitted the documentary "Confronting the evidence". It's an hard document and I cannot conceal that now I have a lot of doubts. It's possible that American Government is innocent or guilty, for the moment we cannot be sure. On the contrary is pretty sure that in short time the third world war will coming on and I really think that it should be funny to understand WHY. I think that all people of all Countries have interest in reopen the 9/11 investigation. Use all means

Please visit http://www.reopen911.org/

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nothing to investigate here, three buildings just fell out of the sky that day perfectly down into their footprints due to fires. yep, all is normal in new america.



i mean, lets get real here. they say that building fell from fires that were burning for 5 hours, hmmmmm, if you believe that then i have a beautiful bridge in san franciscso that i will sell you for dirt cheap.

Jesus fuck. I hate our government right now, but I highly, highly doubt that something other than two huge airplanes full of airplane fuel destroyed the buildings.
Seriously, you actually think that two jumbo jets travelling at 500 mph full of jet fuel couldn't topple two buildings after causing intensely hot fires?

i believe the tops would crumble off those towers, sure. but i do not buy that the whole damn things came down in a free fall motion due to that. especially with all the accounts from fire department workers of secondry explosions and the fact the the first 6 stories of each tower, the lobby, was blown to pieces when they went into the towers.

but the twin towers aside

what about tower seven? no planes hit it, no jet fuel was burning in it, yet it managed to fall stright down in a free fall of 6 seconds. the clip above has the frames sped up, it actually took 6 seconds. that i believe is the smoking gun. the only three buildings to fall that day were the only buildings in the history of the world to fall due to structure fires, all three happened to have the same lease holder and were insured up the ass to protect against terrorist attacks. four weeks prior to 9-11 the lease holder signed a new 99 year lease, included in that lease was a 3.5 billion dollar insurance policy to protect against terrorist attacks. after 9-11 the lease holder tried suing for 7 billion dollars saying each plane counted as a seperate act of terrorism. he lost this battle and only received 2.2 billion dollars.

the bigger the lie, the more people will believe it.


fires caused this? no jet fuel, no planes, but office materials burning for 5 hours caused this? wake the fuck up here people. buildings don't just fall out of the sky because office papers and building materials are burning.

whether or not the government had a hand in this, or prior knowledge to it happening, they still exploited that day to start a new agenda and start a war based on lies where thousands and thousands have died.

step back and look at who benifitted from that day, profited and gained power from that day, trace that and you might find some true evil.

the_planet wrote:Jesus fuck. I hate our government right now, but I highly, highly doubt that something other than two huge airplanes full of airplane fuel destroyed the buildings.
Seriously, you actually think that two jumbo jets travelling at 500 mph full of jet fuel couldn't topple two buildings after causing intensely hot fires?

I think that a lot of scientists judge "really unusual" the 9/11 facts. I think that Americans (such as all people in the World) have to be informed of these opinions. It's fundamental.

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P.S. This is not a "alliance of parties question" this is not Republicans Vs Democratics, right Vs left.

I'm quite convinced that certain people in powerful positions knew that 9/11 was going to occur and did nothing to prevent this occurance. The private sector definiety seemed to have some insider infomation, and the US Government is more than interconnected with Wallstreet. Whether or not the elites in the US Government planned and implimented the attacks or merely blocked action to prevent them, it's difficult to determine.

The consipriacy theories are purely speculation and can never be proven or disproven by simply watching clips of the attacks. Most people can't even begin to logically consider that elites in their government could let this happen, that they could stand back and allow so many to perish. But consider that those same people have allowed the invasion of Iraq, wherein hundreds of thousands of people have died. What makes me laugh is that people think their government would never murder their own citizens. Why not? When they have, and continue to finance murder on an international scale for the satisfaction of their agenda. Do the American people believe that the people at the 'top' have any real concern for the American people if they have no concern for anyone else?

Those who died were a very small price to pay for the subsequent benefits for the seemingly immense political and economic benefits compounded by two planes flying into the WTC buildings on the 9th of September.

subterFUSE wrote:http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... tml?page=1

When I clicked on this link my dvd tray shot out...

LOFA wrote:

subterFUSE wrote:http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... tml?page=1

When I clicked on this link my dvd tray shot out...

Were you watching the "reopen 911" DVD from that website at the beginning of this thread?
Just never mix half and half with skim milk, and if you do, don't dip a cookie in it!

Seriously though.

OK so why does Popular Mechanics get access to classified photos that supposedly prove that building 7 collapsed from structural damage, but we the public are not allowed to view them?
Why would the government withhold these photos? yet let civilians friendly to their side of the story view them?

Lame.

muscleandhate wrote:The consipriacy theories are purely speculation and can never be proven or disproven by simply watching clips of the attacks.

Usually (always) I don't believe beforehand conspiracy theories. This is because most of them are promoted by specific political parties. But in this case, the scientists come from all political backgrounds and from different Countries. The 9/11 facts are really strange and heavy and I'm convinced that they need more detailed answers. Anyway, watching the clips of the attacks scientists are able to understand a lot of things. Have a quite look at the documentary, you can find it easily on the Net.

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Im not big into consiiracy theories at all - but the thing about 9/11 and the bombs in london with training situations under way has to be more than concidence

heres the chat from BBC Radio 5

http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/09070 ... clip_2.mp3

heres what it was about - i heard exactly the saem thing happened in new york on 11th sept, but im not sure if this is tru..

A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.

On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.

Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.

Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.

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And here some chat about the 9/11 "war game" exercise

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_games_ ... r_11,_2001

I guess from a conspiracy point of view - if you believve the governments of each countyr were involved.. and say someone was caught doing something suspect on either of these dates, then they can just pull the operation and say they were on "government" training exercises.

Is quite scary though that exercises DID happen. The flip side is they had intelligence these things were enivatable and about to happen, so had to mimic the evnts to prepare for somthing they couldnt contain... but picking the exact dates is way too much coincidence! dont you think?

http://msnbc.com/modules/interactive.as ... 911&type=v

Scube wrote:

muscleandhate wrote:The consipriacy theories are purely speculation and can never be proven or disproven by simply watching clips of the attacks.

Usually (always) I don't believe beforehand conspiracy theories. This is because most of them are promoted by specific political parties. But in this case, the scientists come from all political backgrounds and from different Countries. The 9/11 facts are really strange and heavy and I'm convinced that they need more detailed answers. Anyway, watching the clips of the attacks scientists are able to understand a lot of things. Have a quite look at the documentary, you can find it easily on the Net.

Scube

These conspiracy theories are being promoted by people with political agendas. Not only that, but most of those documentaries are selectively displaying evidence, and deliberately quoting witnesses out-of-context to alter their testimony.


http://www.debunking911.com

subterFUSE wrote:These conspiracy theories are being promoted by people with political agendas. Not only that, but most of those documentaries are selectively displaying evidence, and deliberately quoting witnesses out-of-context to alter their testimony.


http://www.debunking911.com

So, you are telling me that it exists a worldwide conspiration against Bush dynasty?
OK, I can accept your theory but the question is still open. Bush has to explain where these scientists and FBI witnesses (the ones still living) are mistaking. He have to tell us "you are mistaking because...". Are you not curious to understand?

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