Express your enjoyment of Live 6 Freeze

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:32 am

Im a late comer to the Live 6 party and i cant understand why theres not a huge thread on the new freeze unless it was in the beta forum?
The new freeze is without any shadow of a doubt the best new feature in live six, its just splendid thank you very much. You can keep all your new file managemnt tools and racks and Eq8 and dual processor support. The FREEZE is the shit! I just played about with a mix that had more eqs and compressors and soft synths in action than any other session I have ever done in live because before it was impossible. Now I whack in any vst instrument play my sequence add fx and processing as much as I like and then FREEZE the fuck. I pay no heed to what cpu the plugin im using because I just Freeze the fucker and can still edit and move the clip. I just keep doing this with each new track and my cpu is barely hitting 26% and im using fucking loads of synths and eq and processing.
Most other new stuff is just window dressing. Freeze truly allows the user to be creative without having to think of cpu and thats just cool.

Who else would care to express their enjoyment

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:36 am

I dont have any vsts at the moment =(

did you buy live6, mercyplease ?

kineticUk · Post by **kineticUk** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:44 am

Sounds good..
I never used freeze in version 5 but whats the difference between freeze and flatten ?
Is it that you can continue to edit the midi if you freeze (While havin the instrument fx still loaded) ?
Its good to hear this anyway mercyplease, my computer is gettin on now, so this feature could save me. I'm gonna have a proper go later on and check this out.
Thanks
d.

zazamoth · Post by **zazamoth** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:11 pm

I am still waiting on my upgrade arriving..

throwingachildishhuffsmilie

pieter · Post by **pieter** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:34 pm

oh yeah i totally understand the excitement! i have a powerbook and something like guitarrig is not usable on this "light" machine. but with deepfreeze i freeze the effects and keep on editing.
amazing.
and yes it's the same as bouncing your tracks, but 100x more comfortable to me.

Fledz · Post by **Fledz** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 12:38 pm

If it was December right now and university was finished, and I had my new copy of Live 6 already installed...judging from what I've seen in the demo, there is no doubt that if it were a woman, I would want to have sex with it, over and over again.

I think that sums it up

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:34 pm

b0unce wrote:I dont have any vsts at the moment =(

did you buy live6, mercyplease ?

No vsts at all? No matter you must surely use Live fx and instruments so you can freeze away.

yes I bought it after trying the demo and was frozen in to submission. I like most of the other enhancers but its the freeze that lights my fire big time for its workflow aid properties.

djsynchro · Post by **djsynchro** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 10:59 pm

Yes freeze kicks ass it didn't work that well in 5.
Now I get to freeze my UAD-1 so it will be on each and every track that needs it. And each and every track needs it

Being able to move frozen clips around is the shizzle....

This is more like up it was until the end of the 80's when you would create a sound, then record it to tape. There's something really good about comitting
to a sound instead of always being able to change everything.

Anyway, freeze is the nu kool!

stale bread · Post by **stale bread** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:12 pm

freeze is rediculous, love it to death, i've got a track that I call freeze and just load up samples all day effect to taste, freeze and then drag to their own track. it's a great way to print efx to samples for hiphop production and a great way to build up a collection of effect chain presets.

and I love the 'crop' feature as well. so fuckin simple and so useful

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:30 pm

kineticUk wrote:Sounds good..
I never used freeze in version 5 but whats the difference between freeze and flatten ?
Is it that you can continue to edit the midi if you freeze (While havin the instrument fx still loaded) ?
Its good to hear this anyway mercyplease, my computer is gettin on now, so this feature could save me. I'm gonna have a proper go later on and check this out.
Thanks
d.

Its exactly like Live 5 freeze except Live 6 freeze allows you to edit(cut copy paste length change) a frozen midi or audio clip . You can drag a frozen midi clip on to an audio track and its instantly converted in to a regular audio file. After using it for even two minutes it becomes self explanatory and in an instant you will start to realise the benefits while conjuring up all sorts of cunning scenarios as to how many heavy fat cpu hogging synths are going to double up as the bass sound.
lets say i have recorded a string pad thats static and doesnt filter, it just play nice chords in the background. The chords loop for four bars and I know that wont change in the arrangement (for now) but Im using a heavy cpu using bastard of a sampler to play my orchestra. I just freeze those tracks turning the midi clips in to audio and but still cut copy paste resize the clip (in arrangement). If I have programmed a synth for constant filter action then I wouldnt freeze that until later on.
Dont we all write nowadays while sort of mixing/producing. I know i cant write with a completely sterile sound (no eq fx).
I think there may also be some creative ideas to come out of freeze. Live handles the process excellently.

If you flatten a frozen track it then becomes a fully editable audio track. Its the same with VSTi tracks and audio tracks. Pointless doing it on audio track with no plugins. Although at times I was freezing every track mostly for experimental purposes, i wasnt saving anything, freezing an impulse track that has no plugins might not be beneficial.

kineticUk · Post by **kineticUk** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:41 pm

Thanks for the explanation mercyplease,
I had a mess about with it and I see what you mean. This is gonna be a very helpful feature, I can use this instead of recording to audio all the time.
Cheers
d.

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Wed Oct 04, 2006 11:42 pm

stale bread wrote: i've got a track that I call freeze and just load up samples all day effect to taste, freeze and then drag to their own track. it's a great way to print efx to samples for hiphop production and a great way to build up a collection of effect chain presets.

and I love the 'crop' feature as well. so fuckin simple and so useful

This is a great idea. I know this can be done via routing but this is better. Maybe you just came up with first official tip

ernene · Post by **ernene** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:03 am

happy happy happy

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:14 am

djsynchro wrote:Yes freeze kicks ass it didn't work that well in 5.
Now I get to freeze my UAD-1 so it will be on each and every track that needs it. And each and every track needs it

Being able to move frozen clips around is the shizzle....

This is more like up it was until the end of the 80's when you would create a sound, then record it to tape. There's something really good about comitting
to a sound instead of always being able to change everything.

Anyway, freeze is the nu kool!

I agree, its in the mind I know but there is something comforting about a frozen track and yes tweaking forever can lead to more tweaking until the point at which we first got our inspiration is a distant memory and you have arrived on pluto dazed and confused. The really strange thing is that I never thought about any of this with live 5 because a frozen track was basically dead. Their stubborness built up a lot of ill will. I dont think i treated those tracks with the same respect as unfrozen tracks so I tended to avoid freezing in live five but made comprimises

Theres been attention on racks and the browser and for many these are important things. Maybe im old school but I was never interested in file structures virtual or not. My musical mind doesnt seem to like file structures. I can live without three billion presets and combinations and a new file system with editing thingys and more knobs and buttons to look at and tweak forever.

Freeze that fuck and move on!!!@@!

mercyplease · Post by **mercyplease** » Thu Oct 05, 2006 12:19 am

pieter wrote:oh yeah i totally understand the excitement! i have a powerbook and something like guitarrig is not usable on this "light" machine. but with deepfreeze i freeze the effects and keep on editing.
amazing.
and yes it's the same as bouncing your tracks, but 100x more comfortable to me.

exactly. So you may not have to get rid of the laptop as quickly as you may have been thinking. In a weird way Flexi Freeze sort of makes dual cpu support reduntant. This gives life to less powerful machines with little strings attached.