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Mac was a nice years ago. But look what they are doing: They implemented PCI-Bussing from PC and with OSX they sell a Linux based OS. Shame on them. They build only nice furniture.

Apart of that, they have at least same OS crashes as Windows.

yeah FLAME WAR!!! You are right. My architecture school at the university of virginia gets free macs and dells. The pcs are ALWAYS full, while G5's with 17" monitors and OSX sit there unused. People honestly WAIT to use some of the junkier pcs 3+ years old instead of hopping on the macs. Just read the bugs and problems forum--people can't even render from Live on their fancy-pants "furniture" (NIce ONe!). Something within the core apple functions is f*ing up and causing 4-5 second audio dropouts for lots of mac users with Live--even the Live developer Bernd and some smart cookie Live mac users have consented the fault is with apple. Meanwhile, PC's can handle more than twice the workload of macs with Live, can render perfectly at will, and cost less, and perform well on stage with NO dropouts!!! Hmmn, you decide (but then again, if you like furniture and it looks nice, and "everyone else" and "all the real pros"
use one, and it costs more, then you might want a mac!)

I'm developing a theory that the G4 is much more unstable than the G3, as I'm having no problems whatsoever with my iBook running the same software as everybody else... anybody care to expand?

If only the kiddies who troll and fan these idiotic flame wars would focus their energy on learning how to make good music and actually made attempts to be creative. Honestly, who gives a rat's hind end? It really doesn't matter what one uses but how one uses it. Sigh...

Cheers y'all

Tig

LOL

poor PC users! Perhaps once you grow up too and get reasonable!

Learn something about operation systems and hardware components!

Have heard something about NeXtStep. About that there are companies like IBM, SUN etc - not only Wintel???

Cry on yourself not on us Macusers - we are very happy.

Best

so happy with half the track and effect, and the documented audio dropouts in Live that are the fault of the actual apple computer, happy with the rendering problems people have on macs, happy with the high price tag, or happy with the fancy pants design?? your learn something about how live performs on the two os's--if you've used macs with Live and pushed Live to the limits, then saw what a decent pc could do, you might be a bit more humble. A 2.4 P4 with 512 can do more than twice the tracks and effect than what a G4 powerbook with GIG RAM can do. The difference between 8-10 tracks with effects MAX on mac, and 20+ on pc is a BIG and important difference to me. Whatever works for you and what your comfortable with is what you should get, but if I had the fattest, most tricked out mac and couldn't do much more than 10 tracks with effects in Live, I'd be figuring out how to get a pc, but thats just me.

Sam wrote:Hi
Mac was a nice years ago

I think Macs are much nicer now! The future of OSX and AU plug-ins is looking very interesting to me. I'm very happy with my new 2x2 GHz G5, allthough I tend to use my IBM P3 700 MHz laptop for Live on the stage. This little PC laptop is amazing with Live!!!

i own a mac (ti 1gig) i like it, it's nice and beautiful, but i must say that compared to my friend's sony centrino Z1, my apple is more an apple core... seriously, we compared a reaktor session, my cpu load was 62 his was 18, and i don't even talk about the vst and SX...and forget about osX, it's only giving me trouble...

krikor wrote:i own a mac (ti 1gig) i like it, it's nice and beautiful, but i must say that compared to my friend's sony centrino Z1, my apple is more an apple core... seriously, we compared a reaktor session, my cpu load was 62 his was 18, and i don't even talk about the vst and SX...and forget about osX, it's only giving me trouble...

finally, an honest and realistic addmission of the discrepency between platforms with Live and other apps. from a MAC user. Like I've said before, if you are used to working on a Mac and try out a decent pc with Live, you have to admit that the pc is WAY more powerful, plain and simple. No two ways around it. People can justify macs to their hearts content, but my xp pro pc runs great, on stage and in studio, and the track/effect count is of utmost importance to me, and the pc is the winner there without question.

This is so boring. Obviusly, live works better on a pc, as does reaktor. Unfortunately, some apps aren't well optimized for mac. My G5 is blazingly fast for everything else, video, logic, graphics, etc. Tough shit. It still works, and it works well, on any reasonably fast mac. Wether mac's or pc's are better is such a boring topic. With a pc, you do get speed, with a mac you do get comfort. If the pc is comfortable enough for you, use that. If the mac is fast enough for you, use that. I have a choice to run live on my pc or on my mac, and yes, live is faster on the pc, but it is not enough comfortable for me, so I go for the mac. But I'm probably built for confort, not for speed

What's the big deal...
What do you care if some people use Macs and others use PCs. If you like what you use then it's fine. What is the point of putting down another system. Everyone knows that there are pros and cons of each. another thing that bugs me is when people put down macs for their design. What's wrong??? you don't think things should look nice?

not at all, they are without a doubt more well-designed and aesthetically beautiful from the outside--I doubt many people will question that. But for serious audio enthusiasts using live, I see the macs as an expensive ferrari on the outside with a ford focus engine inside. PCs are more along the lines of a corvette or something where you get a lot of power for a reasonable price. It may not look as fancy or cost as much, but you'll have trouble even catching the liscence plate number when it blows by your ferrari/focus...And not everyone knows the difference in platforms in terms of performance with Live---I've seen many posts here by people shocked and dissapointed when the find out the mac that everyone recommended to them, that looks so cool, cost so much, and that "all the pros" use, is actually SLOW compared to a pc costing many hundreds less.

different people like different things for different reasons. imagine that!

can we lock this thread? it does no good for anyone.

Well said.
lock it up ableton.

yeah, we can't stand it when people can speak freely and dis out precious macs, it really hurts our feelings to hear the truth. Please ableton, institute censorship and take away freedom of speech--wait a minute thats a load of crap. People (even WyldeNOstylz) should be able to say what they want to a degree, unless they are personally attacking someone visciously and with obscene, inappropriate material. Lets not make Ableton have to play the roll of censor, they are busy enough developing the software. censorship is bs, its a free world.