File names only apply after trashing clip envelopes?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 5:09 pm

Hopefully I'm not trading old water here!

I open up Live and come up with a small part to use as an audio loop etc. I rename it in Live's browser. So I drag the renamed file to the Session clip, and it shows up as 1-2audio in the clip. In the "about" info in the Clip view, the file is renamed properly as whatever I named it, in this case Digital Squawk.
So the only way around this seems to be to be to erase the original clip envelope, by opening up the finder and physically trashing the file. I'm hoping somebody knows a more elegant solution?

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Wed Apr 18, 2007 7:15 pm

Hello,

That is because the clip name and the file name are two different things. You can rename the file in the Browser, but that won't automaticaly rename the clip.

On the other hand, if 'create analysis file' is OFF in the Preferences, you can rename the file, and the clip will have the file name when you drag is to the set.

What the clip envelope has to do with the story? Do you mean the analysis file? asd file?

Regards,
Amaury

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:28 am

Amaury wrote:What the clip envelope has to do with the story? Do you mean the analysis file? asd file?

the sample analysis file is what I meant, sorry.... used the wrong term.

I'm not sure why Live works this way though? I Would think that Ableton would want to make it easy for people to create clips and audio files that could be easily identified. As it stands, a clip in Session View is given the generic 12-audio naming convention and then you have to rename the clip and drag it to the Session view, and if the warp is turned on by default, you have to trash the sample analysis file, and rename, then drag the new clip to the Session slot.... all just to name a clip.....

Sure I can turn warping off, then record a clip, rename it, and then turn warping on and it works, but that's a lot of steps to name an audio file. My Live audio folders are filled with 12-audio, 13-audio, etc. clips, which stands in contrast to non user friendly Logic with audio files that are named before hand that are all easily used as raw material....... It just strikes me as odd that in user friendly Live, you have to do a lot of steps to make sure your warped audio file is easily identifiable and accessible as audio loops, and I'm not sure why that is?

Don't worry I still love Live the best, just curious as to why the audio file naming is so awkward?

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 9:59 am

Machinesworking wrote:
Amaury wrote:What the clip envelope has to do with the story? Do you mean the analysis file? asd file?
the sample analysis file is what I meant, sorry.... used the wrong term.

I'm not sure why Live works this way though? I Would think that Ableton would want to make it easy for people to create clips and audio files that could be easily identified. As it stands, a clip in Session View is given the generic 12-audio naming convention and then you have to rename the clip and drag it to the Session view, and if the warp is turned on by default, you have to trash the sample analysis file, and rename, then drag the new clip to the Session slot.... all just to name a clip.....

Sure I can turn warping off, then record a clip, rename it, and then turn warping on and it works, but that's a lot of steps to name an audio file. My Live audio folders are filled with 12-audio, 13-audio, etc. clips, which stands in contrast to non user friendly Logic with audio files that are named before hand that are all easily used as raw material....... It just strikes me as odd that in user friendly Live, you have to do a lot of steps to make sure your warped audio file is easily identifiable and accessible as audio loops, and I'm not sure why that is?

Don't worry I still love Live the best, just curious as to why the audio file naming is so awkward?

Hi,

sure enough, we can think of a better interaction between clip names and file names. The way it is working now allows to have different clips with different names in the same set, refering to the same material.

The option in the Preferences is 'create analysis file' It is a different one from the default warp setting. So you can have 'create analysis file' turned OFF, and still have your recorded clips being warped. 'Create analysis file', when it is ON, directly saves the analysis file to the disk. That is useful when you want to then re-use that clip in other sets. But if you use the file in THAT set only, you don't really need it. And whatever, if you then change manually the warp markers or anything in the clip view, you'll have to press the 'save' button, if you want to reuse the clip with the same settings in another set.

An alternative way, to avoid pressing the 'save button', and reload a clip in another set, is to browse in the Live Browser, to the set containing the clip you want to use, and to unfold the set, unfold the tracks, and drag the desired clip into the current set.

I guess in your case, the best is to set the default Warping as you wish, and to turn OFF 'create analysis file'.

Let me know if you need more help on this.

Regards,
Amaury

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Thu Apr 19, 2007 2:30 pm

Thanks! That really clears it up for me. Had no idea that Live would save warp information with the 'create analysis file' turned off!