vokator in live!

Creator · Post by **Creator** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:52 pm

hey guys, anybody have the vokator?
how the hell do i use it in live!
it drops onto midi channels so how would i be able to have a mic on live feed through it? like you do in an armed audio channel.

any body have an idea?
be greatly appreciated!

laird · Post by **laird** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:38 pm

On your Mic channel, you can tell Live to send the audio to Vokator.

In the session view, you select the little tabs below the mixer, and change your Mic Channel's setting from "Main out" to "track XX Vokator"

Also don't miss the tips and tricks section of this forum which has this link:
http://sonictransfer.com/vocoder-tutori ... live.shtml

Creator · Post by **Creator** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:49 am

nice one! i'll give it a go when im home, cheers!

Creator · Post by **Creator** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 2:18 am

no joy man!
underneath my vocal input all the sends etc, only audio channels and returns and master is there. 4- vocater isnt in the list!
i read the manual on the link, it tells u how to use orange but not vocator,
there must be something to enable it.
in my vsts theres VOKATER STNTH (midi) and VoKATOR FX (audio),
i did that hard panning thing and the send and returns but nothing comes out still! just my left and right channels!
then i put the midi vocator in and no signal at all comes out, im gonna poo!

myxomat0515 · Post by **myxomat0515** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:27 am

I was literally just looking at vokator in the NI shop. I'm anxious to hear what kind of results you get with that. Keep us posted.

Btw, have you used vokator in another program? If so, is it worth the $ in your opinion?

Hopefully you'll get it to work w/Live and post your tips!

Creator · Post by **Creator** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 1:41 pm

still havent managed to get it working in live, ni are normally brilliant and easy to use. theres a lot of routing crap that probably has to be done.
i want to use it live tomorrow, but cant figure it out.
glad i only got the demo.
if i can get it working if its good, i'll get a copy.
keep ya posted!

laird · Post by **laird** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 3:23 pm

I used Vokator in Cubase for years and loved it.

Its one of the VSTs I had to remove from my VST collection when I switched to Live, though

Perhaps upgrading might have helped me... that I don't know.
But my problem with Vokator was CPU drain followed by crashing.

PS, yeah, you want to use the Vokator VSTi, not the Vokator f/x
and it doesn't require hard panning of Carrier/Modulator the way the MDA Vocoder and some others do...

Try dialing up one of vokators "vocal" presets... I know vokator can produce sounds with no external inputs... so maybe if you have one of those settings its not available as a side-chain input? I dunno... but its something to try.

also see these threads
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ht=vokator
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ht=vokator
(the latter says you should put Vokator on an audio track and route MIDI to it... another thing to try)

ewistrand · Post by **ewistrand** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:41 pm

laird wrote:PS, yeah, you want to use the Vokator VSTi, not the Vokator f/x

Wrong. Use the _FX version. Insert that on your audio track. On a MIDI track, choose the audio track that Vokator_FX is on as the output in the MIDI to menu. Choose A*B or B*A for your routing in Vokator. Play your keyboard. Done.

I just did it here as I was typing; it works fine.

ew

laird · Post by **laird** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:07 pm

maybe there's hope for my continued use of Vokator after all, thanks!

corygilbert · Post by **corygilbert** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:21 pm

ewistrand wrote:
laird wrote:PS, yeah, you want to use the Vokator VSTi, not the Vokator f/x

Wrong. Use the _FX version. Insert that on your audio track. On a MIDI track, choose the audio track that Vokator_FX is on as the output in the MIDI to menu. Choose A*B or B*A for your routing in Vokator. Play your keyboard. Done.

I just did it here as I was typing; it works fine.

ew

yep, that's how I do it too.
God, I missed this for UB for a while!

stjohn · Post by **stjohn** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 4:05 pm

i have Vokator...but the fecker will not sum channels for me... which is why i got it.

say i have 2 channels, and i put the vokator on one.. and a beat on the other... i should be able to spectrally sum the 2...but in the dropdown output menu on the Live6 Mixer, i can never select 'Vokator Input' ....

anyone experience this?? it works perfectly on my friends computer

Creator · Post by **Creator** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:24 pm

got it working! cheers lads, thanks for the help, sorry cant help with the last post, im just learning about vocoders now,
cheers!

stjohn · Post by **stjohn** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 2:11 am

how did u get it in the end Creator?? sounds like the same problem... i have no option to send an input track to Vokator, it only ever says 'TRack In'

how was your live gig? im in Dublin too

3rdordertrauma · Post by **3rdordertrauma** » Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:05 pm

stjohn wrote:how did u get it in the end Creator?? sounds like the same problem... i have no option to send an input track to Vokator, it only ever says 'TRack In'

how was your live gig? im in Dublin too

1. Create 2 audio tracks
2. On track 1 insert vokator as "Vokator FX" (as someone else mentioned it must be the FX one not the instrument one)
3. On track 2 set the output to track 1 (the drop down below will say "Track In" not Vokator in)
4. Drop a clip in track 2 (or use a live input from track 2)

At this stage you should be getting audio through Vokator... If not make sure to check that either input A or B or Both are set to Live (in Vokator). Also the "Monitor" selector on track 1 must be either on "IN" or the track must be record armed if its on "AUTO"

Let us know how you go with that.

parkimedes · Post by **parkimedes** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 7:37 am

I got it!!!!

Thank you 3rdordertrauma, your post helped me get it. I might have been aiming for something slightly different though. Here it is.

Its very simple, but tricky. With the following instructions you can use an analog signal and a midi signal, such as a mic and a keyboard, to run the vocoder:

1. Create two tracks: "1 Audio" and "2 Midi"
2. Put "Vokator FX" on the Audio track. Input A should be Live, Input B should be Osc Synth. Set it to B*A.
3. Do not put any instruments on the Midi track: its volume should appear as a stack of dots, not volume bars. Set the "Midi to" to send to "1-Audio". The box below it should read "1-Vokator FX".
4. Set the input of 1 Audio to the microphone channel. And hit the red/arm button on both tracks. (press the apple button when clicking the second one, for the first one to stay on) It works when the monitors for both tracks are on Auto.

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