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How do you truly hard pan w/o bleed?
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 4:53 pm
by bulifant
I'm trying to figure out how I can render a mix with an audio click panned hard right (R50) and backing tracks hard left (L50) without getting a little bleed of the click on the left side.....Any Suggestions?
Posted: Thu Aug 09, 2007 6:05 pm
by Robert Henke
Please download the latest bugfix version. We introduced a bug in panning with live 6.0. in 6.0.7 it should be solved!
Robert
Ableton
Still getting click in both sides after 6.0.7 update.
Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 7:05 pm
by bulifant
Okay, so I've updated to 6.0.7 which does cut the sounds when hard panned L or R, but after I render and play the .aif through itunes, I'm getting a good amount of bleeding through both sides... Any suggestions?
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 12:57 am
by ethios4
Perhaps you have the send turned up on some channel, with stereo effects on the send?
Re: Still getting click in both sides after 6.0.7 update.
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2007 1:13 am
by noisetonepause
bulifant wrote:Okay, so I've updated to 6.0.7 which does cut the sounds when hard panned L or R, but after I render and play the .aif through itunes, I'm getting a good amount of bleeding through both sides... Any suggestions?
Have you got all of the playback 'enhancement' stuff disnabled in iTunes? By default it does some psychoacoustic trickery to make the stereo field sound wider than it actually is, which I think involves feeding some phase+pan stuff (I'm still not sure how it qualifies as enhancement..). You can turn it off in the options, somewhere.
Re: How do you truly hard pan w/o bleed?
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:14 am
by kobraki
I'm having the same problem as the OP. Using a click track channel and instrument channel live, each hard panned to opposite sides. No problems when I play from live but when I render the audio to wav there's considerable bleed from each side to the other. Any body have any ideas?
Re: How do you truly hard pan w/o bleed?
Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:06 am
by Ryanmf
Are you using Live 6 like OP was when he posted this over four years ago?
Re: How do you truly hard pan w/o bleed?
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:59 pm
by kobraki
Nope. I'm on 8.2 Tried the same test with Garage Band and got the same results
Re: How do you truly hard pan w/o bleed?
Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2011 6:17 pm
by kobraki
Ok, so, as a test, I took my mixdown track (with click to left and samples to right) and imported it into live as a wav. When I panned each track hard right and hard left no bleeding! So it's not an ableton problem then. I'm running OSX snow leopard on a macbook pro. And when I hard pan in the audio prefs I get bleeding. Bleedin annoyin!
Re: How do you truly hard pan w/o bleed?
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:19 am
by southsounder
Ryanmf wrote:Are you using Live 6 like OP was when he posted this over four years ago?
Hey, give the OP some credit for searching before posting!

Re: How do you truly hard pan w/o bleed?
Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:40 pm
by kobraki
Figured it out. Seems to be a headphone cable issue. The signal was bleeding across the wires.
Re: How do you truly hard pan w/o bleed?
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 4:40 am
by glack
I have the same problem, only swapping headphones (bad cable) didn't fix it. I'm running on Mac OSX Lion with a m-audio 1814 interface. I create all my tracks/loops in ableton then export them and run them in iTunes with click hard left and tracks hard right. I've tried the whole sound enhancer box remedy and still have problems. No spatial effects on my master buss either.
Anyone?
Re: How do you truly hard pan w/o bleed?
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 1:36 pm
by Komodovaran
glack wrote:I have the same problem, only swapping headphones (bad cable) didn't fix it. I'm running on Mac OSX Lion with a m-audio 1814 interface. I create all my tracks/loops in ableton then export them and run them in iTunes with click hard left and tracks hard right. I've tried the whole sound enhancer box remedy and still have problems. No spatial effects on my master buss either.
Anyone?
It's definitely not a problem with Live. I can hard pan left, play it in iTunes, and if I turn the left speaker off there is complete silence, meaning no audio at all bleeds to the right speaker. I'm using an M-Audio Fast Track.