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Or are they crippled so they only work within logic?

Thinking about selling off Komplete 4 (only thing I use is battery 3) and buying Logic studio and using ultrabeat in place of Battery within Live.

I don't have Logic Studio yet but judging by the literature available you can only make use of Logic's built in instruments by syncing the two programs via the IAC bus. In other words you'd use Logic (or Mainstage) like an external virtual midi instrument.

What's the IAC bus? excuse the ignorance I'm reasonably new to Macs and have mostly experience with Pro Tools on Mac.

Pandamonium wrote:Or are they crippled so they only work within logic?

Thinking about selling off Komplete 4 (only thing I use is battery 3) and buying Logic studio and using ultrabeat in place of Battery within Live.

You could always work in the reverse order and rewire Live into Logic and then use the Logic plugs in Logic instead .

Pandamonium wrote:Or are they crippled so they only work within logic?

Thinking about selling off Komplete 4 (only thing I use is battery 3) and buying Logic studio and using ultrabeat in place of Battery within Live.

Sorry, but what you're thinking about sounds like a headache. If you want to use Live, then get another drum machine and use Live. My favorite is GURU. You'll have money left over for other VSTi as well.

I really like Komplete 4 though, have no idea why anybody wouldn't?

So I take that as a yes? Logic plugins ARE crippled to only work in Logic?

Pandamonium wrote:So I take that as a yes? Logic plugins ARE crippled to only work in Logic?

I wouldn't say crippled is the right word,,,
I'm investigating a way of using mainstage as a kinda-sorta Kore and being able to sync it to live on a second mac using a LAN. You would then be able to use the logic instruments as though they were a hard ware workstation type arrangement.
You would still need to use cables to connect the two macs to get sound,, unless there is an aspect of M-LAN that i'm missing.

Homebelly wrote:

Pandamonium wrote:So I take that as a yes? Logic plugins ARE crippled to only work in Logic?

I wouldn't say crippled is the right word,,,
I'm investigating a way of using mainstage as a kinda-sorta Kore and being able to sync it to live on a second mac using a LAN. You would then be able to use the logic instruments as though they were a hard ware workstation type arrangement.
You would still need to use cables to connect the two macs to get sound,, unless there is an aspect of M-LAN that i'm missing.

I used to do that with OSX's built in ethernet MIDI and two ADAT sound cards, works pretty well. I suppose you could use Mainstage as a host and IAC MIDI, maybe even use Jack or Soundflower to send audio over... I don;t know how many audio outs and separate MIDI channels Mainstage allows though?

Machinesworking wrote: I don;t know how many audio outs and separate MIDI channels Mainstage allows though?

me neither,, I won't be getting my box till late next week, so i'm hoping some one will chime in soon and answer some of these questions,,

Machinesworking wrote:

Homebelly wrote:

Pandamonium wrote:So I take that as a yes? Logic plugins ARE crippled to only work in Logic?

I wouldn't say crippled is the right word,,,
I'm investigating a way of using mainstage as a kinda-sorta Kore and being able to sync it to live on a second mac using a LAN. You would then be able to use the logic instruments as though they were a hard ware workstation type arrangement.
You would still need to use cables to connect the two macs to get sound,, unless there is an aspect of M-LAN that i'm missing.

I used to do that with OSX's built in ethernet MIDI and two ADAT sound cards, works pretty well. I suppose you could use Mainstage as a host and IAC MIDI, maybe even use Jack or Soundflower to send audio over... I don;t know how many audio outs and separate MIDI channels Mainstage allows though?

I'd love to know the answer to this as well. I've got Logic Platinum 5 collecting dust.. the $200 upgrade would be worth the Logic instruments alone if they could somehow be easily routed into live. I'm guessing soundflower would be the way to go. Please post experiences...

Pandamonium wrote:So I take that as a yes? Logic plugins ARE crippled to only work in Logic?

Just like Live's plugins are "crippled" to only work in Live.

mcconaghy wrote:

Pandamonium wrote:So I take that as a yes? Logic plugins ARE crippled to only work in Logic?

Just like Live's plugins are "crippled" to only work in Live.

Kind of: The difference being that Live plugins are in a format that doesn't work with other hosts, Logics ARE in a format that will work with other hosts but intentionally crippled. I would welcome au/RSTA/VST versions of the abe plugs with open arms. More portable versions would make them much more useful to the customers that have purchased them. If they don't do that, they should include them with ableton at no extra charge if they want a chance of keeping up with the competition.

Live can send midi to Mainstage which does host Logic instruments and effects. So although it's not 100% functional, you can kind of rewire Logic instruments as slaves to Live.

D.

Pandamonium wrote: Kind of: The difference being that Live plugins are in a format that doesn't work with other hosts, Logics ARE in a format that will work with other hosts but intentionally crippled.

,, ummm
No they are not.
Logics plugins are not AU or VST plugins,,,
I believe EXS and EVP may have been available as such a few years back,, and may even have been able have been bought separately as extensions of logic, just as operator and sampler are with Live,, but that isn't to say they are crippled,, at least, no more so that a diesel engine has been crippled so it can't use spark plugs,,
What a very silly hang up you seem to have in this regard,,

Pandamonium wrote:

mcconaghy wrote:

Pandamonium wrote:So I take that as a yes? Logic plugins ARE crippled to only work in Logic?

Just like Live's plugins are "crippled" to only work in Live.

Kind of: The difference being that Live plugins are in a format that doesn't work with other hosts, Logics ARE in a format that will work with other hosts but intentionally crippled. I would welcome au/RSTA/VST versions of the abe plugs with open arms. More portable versions would make them much more useful to the customers that have purchased them. If they don't do that, they should include them with ableton at no extra charge if they want a chance of keeping up with the competition.

Logic plugins are NOT AUs, they are part of the Logic engine. Even though they were available for separate purchase at one time all you bought was an unlock code, same as Operator and Sampler.