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Midi crossfader that is cuts like a DJ mixer
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:04 pm
by ShrimpUSA
The Edirol PCR500 49-Key Controller has a sluggish crossfader. So disappointing as this would be the ultimate controller. I have a turntable running into Ableton and the only reason I have a mixer is so I can cut using the crossfader. Seems silly to bring out such a hugh piece of gear for this one thing. I would prefer to not get a DJ midi controller. Any thoughts on gear? Anybody know if the Bitstream 3X cuts like a normal DJ mixer?
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:13 pm
by WaveRider
I use an X-Session, I like it but I am no dj...
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 4:18 pm
by rikhyray
I dont think you will find any that would satisfy you, Edirol is even one of the best of the lot. You want real cut, sharp precise- route outs separately and use hardware, Live corssfader is OK, could be better but there is no way to make midi/software crossfade so exact as hardware, already midi latency (USB and Firewire) screws things enough, could be better if you use RME with PCMCIA or Express card, still hardware solution is, and probably always be better.
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:21 pm
by darren
I have an x-session pro - the x fader is ok but nothing like real hardare - I use it for slow to medium x-fades and if I want a fast cut I use keystrokes on the qwerty keyboard - its a good compromise.
Darren
Re: Midi crossfader that is cuts like a DJ mixer
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:53 pm
by dancing Ray
ShrimpUSA wrote: Anybody know if the Bitstream 3X cuts like a normal DJ mixer?
Mine doesn´t.
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:02 pm
by Robert Henke
Maybe give the different crossfade curves in Live a try...
They can be reached via the context menu of the crossfader.
But by nature MIDI has more latency and is less accurate then
a real physical fader so the experience will never be 100% the same.
Robert
Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:58 pm
by dCross
Robert Henke wrote:Maybe give the different crossfade curves in Live a try...
They can be reached via the context menu of the crossfader.
But by nature MIDI has more latency and is less accurate then
a real physical fader so the experience will never be 100% the same.
Robert
Agreed - for a turntablist, MIDI will be too slow for cuts, crabs, flares, etc. You could 'cheat' by making transform switches out of Track on/offs or Crossfader left/middle/right, but that doesn't fit for everyone.
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:06 am
by Patch
The only way I've found to do this is to route the Live output to a DJ mixer, and route the mixer back into live for recording (on a seperate track...).
This also frees-up your midi controller for other uses, seeing as volume + EQ are now handled by the DJ mixer.
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:07 am
by ShrimpUSA
Robert Henke wrote:Maybe give the different crossfade curves in Live a try...
They can be reached via the context menu of the crossfader.
But by nature MIDI has more latency and is less accurate then
a real physical fader so the experience will never be 100% the same.
Robert
Well...shit. Then how about a midi controller that has a dedicated section for analog inputs routed to a crossfader? I KNOW I'm not the only DJ/Prouder/Pianist hybrid out there looking for Live to solve all my problems, do my laundry and make me dinner.
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2007 9:08 am
by ytsek
ShrimpUSA wrote:
Well...shit. Then how about a midi controller that has a dedicated section for analog inputs routed to a crossfader? I KNOW I'm not the only DJ/Prouder/Pianist hybrid out there looking for Live to solve all my problems, do my laundry and make me dinner.
Korg Zero4 or 8.