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Bypass Windows - Direct into ABleton Live perhaps?
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:30 pm
by sweetjesus
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/news/2007/11/phoenix#
"Phoenix says its new technology, HyperSpace, will offer mobile PC users the ability to instantly fire up their most used apps -- things like e-mail, web browsers and various media players -- without using Windows, simply by pressing the F4 button."
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:30 pm
by pulsoc
There was a post on the forum a year or so ago about using Live as your OS. Obviously a bit different in execution but similar in result.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:11 pm
by sweetjesus
pulsoc wrote:There was a post on the forum a year or so ago about using Live as your OS. Obviously a bit different in execution but similar in result.
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ight=shell
you dont mean this post do u?
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:16 pm
by Tone Deft
roughly how would this work? or is the notion of the OS not being there a bit of an overstatement? take a sound application, it needs to get input from the user to play and stop and it needs to access the speaker. both require drivers or at least something to say that RAM is in this part of memory, the speaker is at this address, the touchscreen is over here, something has to play traffic cop. these days there isn't DOS to fall back on. something has to coordinate the bus at least.
dunno, thinking out loud here. damn kids and their OS-less OSes.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:24 pm
by sweetjesus
Tone Deft wrote:roughly how would this work? or is the notion of the OS not being there a bit of an overstatement? take a sound application, it needs to get input from the user to play and stop and it needs to access the speaker. both require drivers or at least something to say that RAM is in this part of memory, the speaker is at this address, the touchscreen is over here, something has to play traffic cop. these days there isn't DOS to fall back on. something has to coordinate the bus at least.
dunno, thinking out loud here. damn kids and their OS-less OSes.
http://www.virtualization.info/2007/10/ ... s-own.html
low on specifics but i get the feeling HyperSpace will spawn virtual machines which can have their own OS ...
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:54 pm
by nebulae
shawn, this is right up yer alley, mate!
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:07 pm
by Tone Deft
so it's on the bios level, kinda makes sense, sorta, in the sense that I don't know enough to ask the next question.
Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:10 pm
by hacktheplanet
The technique described a while back here wasn't actually using Live as an OS, but as a shell. Normally, when starting up, Windows launches explorer.exe, which is the interface between user and OS. It includes services and other shit specifically for Windows. Instead of launching explorer.exe, you just launched live.exe, and the computer would skip unnecessary stuff Windows needs, and the computer would boot directly into Live.
Cool concept if you are using a computer specifically for this.
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:14 am
by forge
the_planet wrote:The technique described a while back here wasn't actually using Live as an OS, but as a shell. Normally, when starting up, Windows launches explorer.exe, which is the interface between user and OS. It includes services and other shit specifically for Windows. Instead of launching explorer.exe, you just launched live.exe, and the computer would skip unnecessary stuff Windows needs, and the computer would boot directly into Live.
Cool concept if you are using a computer specifically for this.
Sweetjesus' own program does that, the problem is all the services etc still load
I was thinking about this again the other day
if this new thing is like a version of sweetjesus that works out what drivers and services Live needs and installs nothing else then I am THERE!
Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:17 am
by pulsoc
O I am laughing my ass off!
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:29 pm
by dCross
Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:46 am
by forge
Phoenix's November 5 announcement that it will be bundling into the flash portion of their BIOS a fast-booting hypervisor that can quickly load a small selection of Linux-based applications
so where does this leave Live users wanting to use this kind of thing? Are these developments viable options for us in the future?
could we, for example, update the BIOS on our laptops and have a "widget" that just loads Live + the necessary drivers/kernels etc??
THAT would be a dream