mic routing

[Adam Porter]

i am trying to route a condenser mic through ableton for vocal recording using motultra lite. On the selected trak I choose 1, flick on the preamp, etc. Live's master output is routed to 3/4. The problem I am having is when the song is playing and the channel/ mic is live and i am attempting to moniter through headphones is sounds as if the signal is playing over itself, aka 'double routed' . once any audio/vocals are recorded and polayed back the slight echo isn't there. I was wondering how to avoid hearing it whilst recording. I've tried sending the live channel straight to 3/4 instead of Master. THe ultralite in on bus one / mainouts. I think my signal flow is right. what is the proper routing technique?

[3dot...]

i am trying to route a condenser mic through ableton for vocal recording using motultra lite. On the selected trak I choose 1, flick on the preamp, etc. Live's master output is routed to 3/4. The problem I am having is when the song is playing and the channel/ mic is live and i am attempting to moniter through headphones is sounds as if the signal is playing over itself, aka 'double routed' . once any audio/vocals are recorded and polayed back the slight echo isn't there. I was wondering how to avoid hearing it whilst recording. I've tried sending the live channel straight to 3/4 instead of Master. THe ultralite in on bus one / mainouts. I think my signal flow is right. what is the proper routing technique?

you're probly hearing it from 2 sources...
if you're monitoring through live....could be that you're also monitoring through
the 'cuemix console' -
cue mix has near 0ms latency...
while monitoring through live you get in+out latency..
could be the reason you're hearing 2 sources...

[3dot...]

...The proprer way would be a monitor for the singer using cuemix (using ext. fx)

(so he wouldnt be in delay...unless you want him to)...
and monitor the recording through live....

[Adam Porter]

right on. thx for the input. after posting i had a brain storm and realized that I may have had my cables plugged in wrong. I moniter out of the ultralite and into a 5 channel dj mixer. Previously I had output 3/4 going through channel one, 5/6 though channel 2, etc. Mostly for djing. It occured to me that if I plugged the motu main outs into channel one instead that perhaps the soundcard would prevented my double monitering problem. Although that wasn't the answer it did help me understand and fix the problem.. So now my signal floe goes mic to Motu 1, cuemix bus 1 to main outs 1/2, mainouts 1/2 to channel one dj mixer (set to cue through headphones). Meanwhile my arrangement plays out motu 3/4 into dj mixer channel 2 (also set to cue through headphones). After recording I just switch the freshly printed trak to output via master. Works great no double routing/ delay. However this method does seem a little cumbersome. The only real drawback is that since I'm monitering throughthe same headphone jack I have to turn the master arrangment down in abelton and the controil the volume of the recording via cuemix. But i guess thats what they make controllers for ( i have the oxy Maybe i'll ge3t one with faders. Is there a simpler way?

[Adam Porter]

i'm not sure what you mean by ext fx. sounds like an ableton setting not a cuemix setting. Also you say moniter through abelton, perhaps you mean the arrangment (obviously) and i should? keep monitering the vocals directly outta cuemix. Also i have the oxy 8 not smiley face. thanx
nice to talk to someone that knows whats up.

[3dot...]

i'm not sure what you mean by ext fx. sounds like an ableton setting not a cuemix setting. Also you say moniter through abelton, perhaps you mean the arrangment (obviously) and i should? keep monitering the vocals directly outta cuemix. Also i have the oxy 8 not smiley face. thanx
nice to talk to someone that knows whats up.

I mean sometimes you want to monitor yrself with fx for the vibe
(reverb,delay, compressor etc.)...
recording with software fx will give you an audible delay...
which is quite annoying.
thats why I recommend monitoring with external(outboard) fx
(through cuemix...)
and recording the dry signal into live...
(you could also record the fx if they really sound neat)