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Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:06 am**

Hey,

I am working on a college project which involves connecting max/msp with Ableton. The problem I am having is trying to send number/note out of max to trigger clips in Live using MidiYOke.

I first open the midi mapping window in live and click on the clip I want triggered. I then go to Max and and send a bang to noteout object. When I hide the midi mapping window in Live, the clip just keeps triggering and crashes.

I am not sure what I am missing! Has anyone got this working?

Thanks in Advance
Phil

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:22 am**

you need to see the midi data. the simplest answer is probably right and that is that you're sending the same note on/off on/off very quickly over and over again.

download midi ox
http://www.midiox.com/

or C6 form elektron
http://www.elektron.se/support/

to monitor the midi data.

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edit - and make sure you don't have a midi loop
options-preference-midi in Live use port 1 for input, port 2 for output if you need that.

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:14 am**

Sounds like you used a metro where you should have used a bang.

If you start a sequence of events in max, it will just keep sending midi notes or cc's to Live. Although I am sure there is a more elegant workaround, I tend to connect bangs to each ctlin or notein so that I can assign midi maps safely. Be careful when mapping into live, because it's very easy to create max apps that are sending commands all over the place. As a rule of thumb, when working with midi and control changes, do not open the midi map while max is running.

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:11 am**

yo.. i was checkin out Phulu's patch earlier...

the Midi map page works a charm, but then when going to actually trigger the loop, its goes crazy..

I actually tried it with Midi ox as Tone suggested, just there, and something weird happened.. no msgs actually sent.. then when i closed max..they all showed up on MIDI OX.

weird!! sounds like Midi Yoke was choking on something!

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:58 am**

Post the patch and ill take a look at her if you want.

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:40 am**

mike@TrackTeam Audio wrote:Post the patch and ill take a look at her if you want.

we'll do your homework for you.

j/k, kinda. save the patch as a .txt file, then post it. others can copy and paste the text into a new patch.

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:45 am**

Yeah, yeah. I wanna have a look as well.

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:07 am**

are you just connecting 1 port from max to live? i.e. max out to live in? or are you connecting a loop?

if you are connecting both ways then *dont* use the same midi yoke port for both directions, use 2.

someone posted exactly this question on the max forum (maybe you're on the same course..) I replied there with a test patch which worked fine :

http://www.cycling74.com/forums/index.p ... oto=132925

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:23 am**

agree with mdk here... sounds like a midi feedback loop to me

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:25 am**

Banging the notein? What about note offs? Are you using makenote or something similar?

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:10 pm**

Thanks for the quick responses.

If you have time take a look at the patch from the following links:

Text Format:
"http://www.stasiscollective.com/MaxPatc ... (Text).txt"

Patch:
http://www.stasiscollective.com/MaxPatc ... gClips.rar

Will keep working on this so will let you know of any further developments.

Cheers
Phil

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:40 pm**

As text...

max v2;
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#P origin -89 -23;
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#B color 5;
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#P number 244 60 35 9 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
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#B color 5;
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#P number 134 139 31 9 0 255 3 3 0 0 0 221 221 221 222 222 222 0 0 0;
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#P window linecount 2;
#P comment 1180 20 100 196617 When balls create connections;
#B color 1;
#P comment 695 554 100 196617 Its this out I am having trouble with;
#P comment 657 393 100 196617 Bangs the note A0 when counter hits 10;
#P window linecount 4;
#P comment 540 445 100 196617 These are sending out notes to played on a synth which works perfectly;
#P comment 686 591 100 196617 Could be something in the translation of Midi between max and Live?;
#P hidden connect 44 0 45 0;
#P hidden connect 45 0 42 0;
#P hidden connect 42 0 43 0;
#P connect 49 0 56 0;
#P connect 56 0 57 0;
#P connect 48 0 56 1;
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#P hidden fasten 19 0 21 0 139 396 145 396;
#P hidden connect 22 0 28 0;
#P hidden connect 29 0 28 0;
#P connect 43 0 11 0;
#P connect 13 0 11 0;
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#P connect 47 1 48 0;
#P hidden connect 18 0 24 3;
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#P connect 47 2 50 0;
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#P connect 47 5 51 0;
#P hidden connect 38 0 39 0;
#P connect 63 0 67 0;
#P connect 67 0 71 0;
#P connect 71 0 75 0;
#P connect 75 0 77 0;
#P connect 77 0 79 0;
#P connect 77 1 79 1;
#P connect 81 0 77 1;
#P hidden fasten 58 0 63 0 589 227 582 227;
#P connect 88 0 77 2;
#P connect 78 0 90 0;
#P connect 78 1 90 1;
#P connect 64 0 68 0;
#P connect 68 0 72 0;
#P connect 72 0 82 0;
#P connect 82 0 83 0;
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#P connect 82 2 84 0;
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#P connect 93 0 92 0;
#P connect 92 0 91 0;
#P connect 65 0 69 0;
#P connect 69 0 73 0;
#P connect 73 0 85 0;
#P connect 85 0 86 0;
#P connect 92 1 91 1;
#P connect 94 0 92 1;
#P hidden fasten 58 2 65 0 723 227 717 227;
#P connect 84 0 94 0;
#P connect 95 0 92 2;
#P connect 85 2 87 0;
#P connect 84 0 95 0;
#P hidden fasten 58 3 66 0 790 227 785 227;
#P connect 66 0 70 0;
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#P connect 74 0 76 0;
#P connect 76 0 78 0;
#P connect 81 0 78 1;
#P connect 88 0 78 2;
#P pop;

Haven't tested it though. But you didn't define what port you send the "problematic" makenote.

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:54 pm**

is the port number important?

Basically this patch is opened followed by Live.
I place a dummy clip triggering envelopes onto a midi track set to recieve midi in on midi yoke 2.
I then turn on midi mapping and select the clip, I go to MAX and bang out the A0 which is sent on in a noteout object on midiyoke 1.

I also have MidiOx open to make sure that midiyoke1 and midiyoke 2 are patched together.

I get the feeling its something to do with how midi is configured on my computer. Have uninstalled and re installed midiox and midiyoke so will let you know of any progress!

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:10 pm**

phulu wrote:is the port number important?

I guess you don't have to set it if you only have one port for in and one for out in Max's prefs.

phulu wrote:I also have MidiOx open to make sure that midiyoke1 and midiyoke 2 are patched together.

Could this create feedback?

Posted: **Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:17 pm**

Going back to basics - I have now made a simple patch playing a single note when I bang it.

The noteout is set to out to Midi Yoke 1.

In Live I have a midi channel set to in from Midi Yoke 1.
It plays the FM8 accordingly, but when I try to assign this note to trigger a clip like I would with a midi keyboard Live does not recognise this note and the computer simply crashes.

Not asking for help but would like to know if anyone has had this working?
(Using Max to trigger clips in Live without a midi keyboard).

Thanks for your time
Phil

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