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I have been experimenting with the Bank, Sub-Bank, and Program boxes in the Clip View Notes Box, and they do not seem to work as I expect them to. I am connected to my Roland RD-700sx via the External Instrument device. The Roland expects a Bank Select MSB (control #0), a Bank Select LSB (control #32), and then the Program Change. I tried putting the MSB in the Bank box, LSB in the Sub-Bank, and PC in the Program, but this did not work. I could get GM2 sounds by putting the MSB in Sub-Bank, but changing the Bank box did not seem to do anything. Can someone explain what these boxes do? What MIDI messages do the boxes generate?

Bank stores your money, sub bank stores it underground.

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GrooveNinja wrote:I have been experimenting with the Bank, Sub-Bank, and Program boxes in the Clip View Notes Box, and they do not seem to work as I expect them to. I am connected to my Roland RD-700sx via the External Instrument device. The Roland expects a Bank Select MSB (control #0), a Bank Select LSB (control #32), and then the Program Change. I tried putting the MSB in the Bank box, LSB in the Sub-Bank, and PC in the Program, but this did not work. I could get GM2 sounds by putting the MSB in Sub-Bank, but changing the Bank box did not seem to do anything. Can someone explain what these boxes do? What MIDI messages do the boxes generate?

Bank and Sub Bank do exactly what they claim to do: Send Program Change.
Leave alone MSB/LSB. In your MIDI implementation guide for RD700 you should read which Bank Number and Sub Bank number every bank corresponds to.
i.e. I have a Roland JV1010 that works this way:

Bank 1 (80,0)
Bank 2 (81,0)
Bank 3 (81,1)
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So in the Bank box you should put Bank number (80) in the Sub Bank you should put Sub Bank number (0 or 1 in the example) and in the Program Change the Preset number. Beware that although MIDI has 128 as a upper limit range Live sends 0-127. So (and it depends on how your hardware implemented it) sometimes you have to send Program 50 in Live to select Program 49 on your device. The same it's true for Bank & Sub Bank in some cases. Test. Enjoy.

Hope it helps.
- Best
- Pasha

BTW Tarekith joke is irresistible!

GrooveNinja wrote: ↑

Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:54 pm

I have been experimenting with the Bank, Sub-Bank, and Program boxes in the Clip View Notes Box, and they do not seem to work as I expect them to. I am connected to my Roland RD-700sx via the External Instrument device. The Roland expects a Bank Select MSB (control #0), a Bank Select LSB (control #32), and then the Program Change. I tried putting the MSB in the Bank box, LSB in the Sub-Bank, and PC in the Program, but this did not work. I could get GM2 sounds by putting the MSB in Sub-Bank, but changing the Bank box did not seem to do anything. Can someone explain what these boxes do? What MIDI messages do the boxes generate?

Live Bank and Sub need to be offset by 1. For instance: in Live, bank 1 sub 1 is really MSB 0, LSB 0. The program does not need this offset!