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Setting two midi signals to one ableton button

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:28 pm
by A_Guy
Wondering if some one can please help me out? I have just purchased the new Denon 5500 CD players and I am having a little problem mapping them to Ableton.

The CD player can send a midi signal for every button on the player. Problem is that the CD player has two midi channels. I want to some how make channel 1 note g2 and channel 2 note g2 start a loop.

Is it possible for me to make two signals set a loop point in Ableton?

It is not necessarily a loop I want to set; I just used it as an example. I need to find some way to assign two buttons on my controller to one button in Ableton.

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 5:01 pm
by Tuur
You could do it with Midi Translator.

Re: Setting two midi signals to one ableton button

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:23 pm
by 3dot...
A_Guy wrote: It is not necessarily a loop I want to set; I just used it as an example. I need to find some way to assign two buttons on my controller to one button in Ableton.

...Why would you want to do that???

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:23 pm
by 3dot...
[double post]

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:23 pm
by 3dot...
Tuur wrote:You could do it with Midi Translator.
and...

+1 midi translator is a godsend...

Re: Setting two midi signals to one ableton button

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 6:44 pm
by doc holiday
3dot... wrote:
A_Guy wrote: It is not necessarily a loop I want to set; I just used it as an example. I need to find some way to assign two buttons on my controller to one button in Ableton.

...Why would you want to do that???
can you configure the controller to send the same cc?

i dunno why he wants to, but I know a good reason

if you have a push button knob, and assign it to a send you can punch in and out with the button.

good fun with bcr where you can set the knob and the button to transmit the same cc

Re: Setting two midi signals to one ableton button

Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:44 pm
by 3dot...
doc holiday wrote:
3dot... wrote:
A_Guy wrote: It is not necessarily a loop I want to set; I just used it as an example. I need to find some way to assign two buttons on my controller to one button in Ableton.

...Why would you want to do that???
can you configure the controller to send the same cc?

i dunno why he wants to, but I know a good reason

if you have a push button knob, and assign it to a send you can punch in and out with the button.

good fun with bcr where you can set the knob and the button to transmit the same cc
...sure same CC ...but different values..

I don't think that's what he meant though...

df

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:16 am
by A_Guy
I have added a image, hopefully it explains things differently. The top left hand button marked layer switches midi channels. It’s just like having two cd players.

There are several reasons. First reason would be for loops. When I tell the player to send to the second midi channel the loops wont work now. I would have to switch back to channel one to set loop points and all. I would like channel 1 note g2 and channel 2 note g2 both to start a loop. That way I don’t have to switch between channels.

Another reason is that I want to use a rotary knob to go up and down the track list. Problem is that it works on channel one. When I go to channel two it now doesn’t work, I would have to switch back to channel one to go through the tracks.

Don’t know if any of that made any sence.

Can some one please recommend some midi translators that are free?
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:28 am
by 3dot...
if I understand correctly

...what you describe could be done with midiox + midiyoke ...

splitting the input into 2 seperate 'virtual' ports...

http://www.midiox.com/


with midiox you can see exactly what midi your controller is sending out...

then route it through midiyoke to live...

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:29 am
by 3dot...
ehm... for PC

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:31 am
by 3dot...
or you can translate the input midi to keystrokes/ different midi using bomes midi translator

http://www.bome.com/midi/translator/mt_classic.html

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:32 am
by A_Guy
yes. for a pc.

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:57 am
by pepezabala
workaround using IAC- or midi yoke-loop.

Make a blank midi channel. This channel sends notes out to IAC/midi-yoke, which then come back into live as remote-control-midi-messages.

Make a clip (no quantization, not looped) on that channel that sends out e.g. the note c3 . Now assign the set-loop-button to that note/clip.

Make a copy of that clip.

Now assign those two clips to your two CD-player buttons.

As a result both buttons trigger a clip that sends out a midi-message to trigger the set-loop-button.

thanks

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:22 am
by A_Guy
Thanks pepezabala. Will give it a try when i get home.

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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:38 pm
by A_Guy
pepezabala wrote:workaround using IAC- or midi yoke-loop.

Make a blank midi channel. This channel sends notes out to IAC/midi-yoke, which then come back into live as remote-control-midi-messages.

Make a clip (no quantization, not looped) on that channel that sends out e.g. the note c3 . Now assign the set-loop-button to that note/clip.

Make a copy of that clip.

Now assign those two clips to your two CD-player buttons.

As a result both buttons trigger a clip that sends out a midi-message to trigger the set-loop-button.


I tried to do it by myself, been sitting here for like a hour now. And I can’t get it to work. I set up a midi track, I got it to receive my buttons signal, but I don’t know how to make it send out a signal to the loop button. Can some one please help?