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what albums would people say were 'classic' examples of sample-based music?

if you wanted to provide a beginner with a good overview of sample-based music what would you recommend them?

i have a broad definition of 'sample-based' music in mind, one which could include music concrete, tape music, early edit styles etc. not just post hip-hop digital sampler era music.

i ask because i have realised that in my collection, while i consider myself to be a pretty big fan of sample-based music, i own few whole albums that i would happily recommend to people as good/influential examples of the possibilities that sampling offers.

this is reflected in the fact that the albums that sprang to my mind are all well recognised hip-hop:

wu tang clan '36 chambers'

dj shadow 'endtroducing'

gangstarr 'daily operation'

public enemy 'nation of millions...'/'fear of a black planet'

and possibly/probably:

the beatnuts 's/t'

the beastie boys 'paul's boutique'/'ill communication'

any thoughts/opinions/recommendations would be much appreciated.


cheers

daft punk.

really?

to be honest i'm not too familiar with their music or how it's made - i'd assumed it was all synthesized.

i'll do some research.

cheers!

'Hello Nasty' is also a good one in that aspect...

...any Pete Rock...

any RZA... there's this one track which he actually sample Portishead...

anything Amon Tobin..

Grandmaster Flash...

DJ Premier...

also DJ Spooky...

Madlib...

Peanut butter Wolf...

Ultramagnetik MCs !!!

steve reich - 'come out to show them'.
just one sample used extremely effectively

david byrne and brian eno - 'my life in the bush of ghosts'

the justified ancients of mu mu - '1987 what the fuck's going on?'
one of my utter favourites, raw scottish rapping and samples nicked from everywhere

cabaret voltaire - 'the covenant, the sword and the arm of the lord'

butthole surfers - '22 going on 23'

those are some just of the top of my head

Art of noise - close to the edit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sFK0-lcjGU

MARRS - pump up the volume
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B87snXgV7Pg

Coldcut -natural rythm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B87snXgV7Pg

Cold Cut - Let Us Play

Google "plexure"

As b0unce said - Daft Punk - there are some youtube videos comparing the samples they were originally based on.

(And the track on my virb account is wholly based on a single sample. )

Tipsy
their 2 albums are pretty much all samples
http://tipsy.org/tipsymusic.html

Definitely some good examples so far, here are my thoughts:

NWA - Str8 Outta Compton
NWA - Efil4Zaggin
In my opinion two of the best sample based albums to this day. For real.

Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca & Soul Brother
This was also an epic album that was incredibly well put together. Made me fall in love and buy an SP1200

Gangstarr - Hard to Earn
Group Home - Livin' Proof
This was where you can hear Premier discovering and mastering the siganature style we know him for today. Also, incredibly well crafted. The amazing thing about both of these records was that Premo was using fairly common records on these two but flipped them and took unused parts of them (more Group Home than Gangstarr)

cheers guys - definitely some food for thought

that plunderphonic stuff looks interestin - i forgot i have 2 sachiko m lps which are both interesting, 'bar sachiko' bein less entertaining than 'slalon de sachiko' if i'm honest

my old english teacher cut me a copy of 'tuatara' by tipsy which i used to like - will have to dig that one out...

anyone got anything by this fella:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCgR4C6PvKw


ta!

Rinko wrote:what albums would people say were 'classic' examples of sample-based music?

if you wanted to provide a beginner with a good overview of sample-based music what would you recommend them?

i have a broad definition of 'sample-based' music in mind, one which could include music concrete, tape music, early edit styles etc. not just post hip-hop digital sampler era music.

i ask because i have realised that in my collection, while i consider myself to be a pretty big fan of sample-based music, i own few whole albums that i would happily recommend to people as good/influential examples of the possibilities that sampling offers.

this is reflected in the fact that the albums that sprang to my mind are all well recognised hip-hop:

wu tang clan '36 chambers'

dj shadow 'endtroducing'

gangstarr 'daily operation'

public enemy 'nation of millions...'/'fear of a black planet'

and possibly/probably:

the beatnuts 's/t'

the beastie boys 'paul's boutique'/'ill communication'

any thoughts/opinions/recommendations would be much appreciated.


cheers

These were all trendsetting and broke a lot of samples for the first time that are still in use today:

Gangstarr - Step In The Arena
Above The Law - Livin Like Hustlers
EPMD - Strictly Business
Biz Markie - Nobody Beats the Biz
MC Shan - Down By Law

For examles of exquisite multiple sample layering, of course there's the Bomb Squad stuff, and Ice Cube's Death Certificate immediately come to mind.


STRATEGY

A Tribe Called Quest

De La Soul


Mantronix

Boogie Down Productions

All really good hip hop suggestions. Coldcut is the shit too. Someone already said Steve Reich but I would add his best album - Different Trains. Especially for the collaboration with Pat Metheny - Electronic Counterpoint. People bitch about the difficulties with using sampler and a lack of a loop based Live? Steve Reich had to edit and cut individual pieces of tape and overdub new ones for his tracks. I think he'd be in heaven with today's technology.

All really good hip hop suggestions. Coldcut is the shit too. Someone already said Steve Reich but I would add his best album - Different Trains. Especially for the collaboration with Pat Metheny - Electronic Counterpoint. People bitch about the difficulties with using sampler and a lack of a loop based Live? Steve Reich had to edit and cut individual pieces of tape for his tracks. I think he'd be in heaven with today's technology.