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Hey team,

So I've been an ableton freq for years but finally decided to follow "Computer Music" mag tutorials precisely. Usually the protocol with track production goes in some combination of the following Ableton>Reason>Logic

I hate Apple Computers but feel like I need Logic to finally release a professional album.

Although, I know there are great producers using P.C.

Is Cubase the P.C. answer to Logic? Or can I run Logic on either Ubuntu or XP?

Is Logic 5.5 for P.C. worth grabbing or is it too radically different than 8?

My Tutorials --------> http://youtube.com/user/mechanicalchris3

chris ott wrote:
I hate Apple Computers but feel like I need Logic to finally release a professional album.

yep. im sure that logic will make your music better.
afterall its not about talent, its about what software you use.

If you want to run Logic then you need to get a Mac.

Cubase is more than capable though if you want to stick to a PC.

Forget about running an old version of Logic.

If you hate Macs...Logic will hate you...

chris ott wrote: I hate Apple Computers but feel like I need Logic to finally release a professional album.

Yeah - you're screwed. Everyone knows you can only make good music if you own a Mac.

[sigh]


Software/hardware Mac/PC.... whatever... they're all tools. That's all. If you think that it makes a difference whether you use a Mac or PC or Windows or Linux.... or whether you use Logic or Cubase or Ardour or Renoise... then you need to re-examine your thinking.

Oh and google tends to be quite useful if you want to know whether Logic Pro 8 will run on an Atari or whatever...

I think you need to ask yourself..
'What is it that my software lacks that is making me want to get logic?'
...no offence but the answer will not be what your software lacks but what your production skills lack.

Computer music pretty much give every review 9/10 - one month Ableton is the all encompassing answer to your production needs the next month its Logic etc...

Find out what works for you
I am running this Ableton>Reason>Logic combination you speak of, doesn't make a difference (although reason definitely needs rewiring)
and the sound difference is minimal.

Sounds like you need to take a step back and apply cross platform production techniques - eg - keeping your projects un cluttered and tidy in terms of routing etc..

Logic is incredible. Ableton is incredible
Reason is.......errr.. a great plugin

If you have money to burn then go for logic but you may find a fairly steep learning curve and only end up realising that you can do the majority of what you're learning in Ableton.

'follow "Computer Music" mag tutorials precisely.' if you want but dont sacrifice your creativity for your software hardon

i do use logic for one particular job but 99% is done in ableton.
on the whole id echo everyone else's comments

chris ott wrote:Hey team,

So I've been an ableton freq for years but finally decided to follow "Computer Music" mag tutorials precisely. Usually the protocol with track production goes in some combination of the following Ableton>Reason>Logic

I hate Apple Computers but feel like I need Logic to finally release a professional album.

Although, I know there are great producers using P.C.

Is Cubase the P.C. answer to Logic? Or can I run Logic on either Ubuntu or XP?

Is Logic 5.5 for P.C. worth grabbing or is it too radically different than 8?

My Tutorials --------> http://youtube.com/user/mechanicalchris3

Alot of contemporary electronic producers use pc, namely cubase 4, and with all the plug-ins availibe it's more than enough.

I'm a mac user though and i've finally started to realize how all encompassing Logic really is, i've always felt like i needed to have a pc too for all the plug-ins i'm used to, but yeah, all-in-all, Logic is pretty amazing.

There's loads of options. Pick the one you like or use a few of them, just let the creative ideas come foremost, not the means of getting there.

So those using Logic 8 are not facing the issues so many folks are writing about? Did the update help?

Engineers at Berklee swear by Logic but then again some people just love giving Mr. Jobs something for nothing.

Thanks for the input everyone.

friend_kami wrote: yep. im sure that logic will make your music better.
afterall its not about talent, its about what software you use.

Friend Kami,

Obviously you are the only person who misinterpreted the question. I didn't say anything about my music getting better, I wanted to run Logic on a P.C. or get a review of Cubase 4. After half a decade of practice I wanted to do a professional/commercial release and was looking to see if Logic was the best choice for final teaks and mastering as my engineer friends at Berklee had suggested was obligatory.

I've been on this message board for five years and never heard something so asinine and confrontational.

You must be 13. I suggest you find another message board if you believe that everyone who asks software related questions is trying to substitute technology for talent. This is the Ableton community, what did you expect?

Try eHarmony.com, they will match you to the right message board based on 29 dimensions of talent.

Leave the software talk to the software websites

Back to work

logic 5.5.1 has its flaws, for sure, but it's GREAT on pc. Perfectly adequate for making hit music

chris ott wrote: I've been on this message board for five years and never heard something so asinine and confrontational.

Wow? you've led a charmed Ableton forums life then.

Machinesworking wrote:Wow? you've led a charmed Ableton forums life then.

Yes, I actually find Ableton forums to be the least hostile I've encountered. Ofcourse you do get snappy veterans just like anywhere else but I've never been treated like a noob for no reason especially considering I was asking if I could run an OSX native software on the latest distro of Linux Ubuntu using some sort of an emulator.

Not really a noob question when I make it more specific .. huh? But then I may miss an alternative idea that may have worked instead such as.... Cubase 4 as one post had mentioned. So I keep it general.

You know how sensitive the technology/talent thing is for computer musicians. I don't like to be talked to like a kid who met a pro and is telling him he needs a $15,00 studio rack to be able to write a song.

Especially when the situation is actually quit inverse, I'm a vet who needs more options for mastering.


It probably didn't help that I was at work with some idle time..... LoL



Check out my tutorials http://youtube.com/user/mechanicalchris3

if you want to master your own stuff, but don't exactly have a mastering degree (awfull choice of words, i know) go for izotope's ozone3. it's not a toy, and it has the best manual i've ever read. as for software to use this great plugin with, i use waveburner which is bundled with logic (hardly ever use logic anymore, since i got the ableton disorder about a year ago). waveburner is great for overview, fades, indexing and giving the final touch but i'm sure there is an equivalent for pc. the title wavelab comes to mind.

edit: those who use logic and ableton side by side usually use ableton for creativity and logic for mixing. if you are comfortable mixing in live i see no reason for you to get logic or cubase.