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Setup for on-the-fly beat chopping in Ableton Live

Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:02 am
by sinnatagg
Ayup!

I did a writup about my on-the-fly beat chopping setup in Live. It's how I do improvised jungle style chops and rushes in my own livesets.

It's here http://sinnatagg.synth.no/chopper/chopper.html.

-a

Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:25 pm
by RePeter
Nice post. :)

Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 11:14 am
by kpa
great work sinnatagg, easy to read and so i thought i understand this, i think ill do this and then at the bottom you put the project file containing the chopper. SWEET!

thanks for something that will make my sets better (hopefully)


cheers,
kpa

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:23 am
by sinnatagg
Nice to see that this was appreciated :D

I find it a bit difficult to write about liveset techniques like this because everybody has a unique and personal approach to performing and there are a lot of factors that has an influence on how useful a given setup is for anyone. The music is different, controller stack different and the expectations to the performance is different for every performer I know. But more than anything I think a lot of us get stuck with the set we got and don't have the opportunity to integrate something particularly complex into our sets after a while.

So this chopper piece is an example of something that can be integrated sideways into most livesets and will probably be useful for a fair variety of styles. I also hope that this is an example of how a liveset can be centered around complex construction of breaks.

A couple of extra things:

- The loops can be retriggered by retriggering the clips. Nice if you miss a rush or mess up in other ways.
- Some very complex stuff can be played by setting up a variety of loops (some with effects) over two tracks, then triggering, chopping and using the x-fade to do breakcore style mixing of beats. I particularly like going back and forth between halftime/doubletime breakbeats like in the Beacon example.


-a

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:01 am
by rbmonosylabik
Great post. I love how it turns Beat Repeat into something easy to control that doesn't necessarily sounds like the usual Beat Repeat right off the bat. I'll put it to use in something requiring more on the fly beat chopping I'm planning.

Thanks for sharing :D

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:09 am
by logic_user99
Thankyou SO MUCH for sharing this! I've been trying to achieve these results for ages, but to no avail.

You've just made my day 8)

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:48 pm
by Darwinist
Excellent stuff, will definately play around with this.

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:41 pm
by djlimbs
yea, nice post..thanks for the info..while i plan to implement things more suited to my workflow, the writeup opened me up to more creative uses for dummy clips + beat repeat. props!

Trigger not working

Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 11:54 pm
by karl schloch
I did exactly the same setup,i also thought for the dots at the beginning of the macro curves but they do not trigger?

Re: Trigger not working

Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:12 am
by sinnatagg
karl schloch wrote:I did exactly the same setup,i also thought for the dots at the beginning of the macro curves but they do not trigger?
There's a zip file with a liveset where the chopper is setup along with a couple of loops. Have you tried that ? If that works you may be able to see where my instructions have failed you.

If that liveset file works you can include the chopper by dragging its channel from the .als file into your own set.

Never mind the samples missing error in the sample project. I managed to use a 55mb audio file for the dummy clip and couldn't manage to easily replace it so I just deleted it.


-a

Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:02 pm
by maze23a
Tested this one out last night and
have to say this is really really cool!!
Thanx a lot for sharing it!

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:24 am
by scarixix
8)

ditto !

Very nice.. ... Thank jah for sharing.
Been using Audio Damage Replicant to get some stutter/repeat/fill sort of tings but this
is quite useful.

Cheers !

Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:09 am
by nimbledoe
sweeet...Image

Posted: Tue Oct 07, 2008 8:48 am
by musiker01
Thanks for the great tutorial. I think I'll have to look at Beat Repeat a little more closely.

Axl

Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:21 pm
by The Phat Conductor
props!

i'm going to forward this on to people for sure.

<3

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