Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Discussion of music production, audio, equipment and any related topics, either with or without Ableton Live
mcnitt
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 1:24 am

Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by mcnitt » Wed May 30, 2018 2:52 am

Since the 10.0.2 update all projects containing Arturia Analog 3 or Arturia V Collection 6 crash on load. Tested on multiple systems.

If I start a new project and try to load Analog 3 or V Collection 6 some presets will work, others will not, and Live 10.0.2 eventually crashes.

This was not an issue on 10.0.1 -- literally everything worked fine before the update today.

Anyone else?

mcnitt
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 1:24 am

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by mcnitt » Wed May 30, 2018 3:17 am

I have scoped this issue further to Ableton 10.0.2.

Loading the same Analog 3 and V Collection 6 plugins in Logic Pro X, everything works fine.

jestermgee
Posts: 3302
Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:38 am
Contact:

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by jestermgee » Wed May 30, 2018 4:20 am

I had this same issue with Korg LegacyCell and reported it in the Beta.

So now what Ableton have done is just flagged it as "unsupported" so now LegacyCell does not even load in Live. Worked fine in L9, just not L10.

Could be the same thing. I'm not really understanding how things like this can just be unsupported in a host.

mcnitt
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 1:24 am

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by mcnitt » Wed May 30, 2018 4:46 am

Confirmed -- it's a 10.0.2 issue.

I take full system snapshots of my machines daily and just tried reverting to yesterdays snapshot containing 10.0.1. Everything worked fine.

10.0.2 breaks support for Arturia plugins.

jestermgee
Posts: 3302
Joined: Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:38 am
Contact:

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by jestermgee » Wed May 30, 2018 5:00 am

mcnitt wrote:Confirmed -- it's a 10.0.2 issue.

I take full system snapshots of my machines daily and just tried reverting to yesterdays snapshot containing 10.0.1. Everything worked fine.

10.0.2 breaks support for Arturia plugins.
It may be confirmed for your case but I just tested Arturia on my system (I have the V4 collection) but I could load analog lab 3 without issue.

This is on Win10, 64, Live 10.0.2

mcnitt
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 1:24 am

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by mcnitt » Wed May 30, 2018 5:21 am

jestermgee wrote:
mcnitt wrote:Confirmed -- it's a 10.0.2 issue.

I take full system snapshots of my machines daily and just tried reverting to yesterdays snapshot containing 10.0.1. Everything worked fine.

10.0.2 breaks support for Arturia plugins.
It may be confirmed for your case but I just tested Arturia on my system (I have the V4 collection) but I could load analog lab 3 without issue.

This is on Win10, 64, Live 10.0.2
Yes, I failed to specify -- this is for macOS High Sierra (10.13.4) with Arturia Analog Lab 3 (latest 3.1.0.1391) and V Collection 6 (latest).

mcnitt
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 1:24 am

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by mcnitt » Wed May 30, 2018 5:39 am

For Mac people if you experience this or any other issues and have Time Machine or another backup, you can the restore the old 10.0.1 app, launch and disable auto updates in preferences.

Time Machine saves my bacon once again. Lesson learned -- no Ableton auto updates!

mcnitt
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 1:24 am

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by mcnitt » Wed May 30, 2018 6:22 am

For cross reference, the issue posted on the Arturia V Collection 6 forum: https://forum.arturia.com/index.php?topic=92874.0

scheffkoch
Posts: 492
Joined: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:37 pm

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by scheffkoch » Wed May 30, 2018 7:36 am

...so this is only with some presets?...i could open my set with various arturia 6 plugins without any problems...might have to check deeper...
macbook pro late 2016, osx 10.13.6, rme multiface via sonnet thunderbolt expresscard adapter + thunderbolt to usb-c adapter, ableton live 10.0.1, push 2, komplete 9, maschine 2.7.6, touchable

Stromkraft
Posts: 7033
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2014 11:34 am

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by Stromkraft » Wed May 30, 2018 7:41 am

mcnitt wrote: Yes, I failed to specify -- this is for macOS High Sierra (10.13.4) with Arturia Analog Lab 3 (latest 3.1.0.1391) and V Collection 6 (latest).
And not for macOS 10.12 "Sierra"?
Make some music!

Wunderfish
Posts: 2
Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 7:53 am
Location: Honolulu, HI
Contact:

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by Wunderfish » Wed May 30, 2018 8:00 am

Same wonkiness and crashes happen to me using V Collection 6 plugins in Live 10.0.2 (I'm running MacOS Sierra 10.12.6). When I revert back to 10.0.1, I'm back to normal.

For those who don't have a Time Machine backup, you can re-download 10.0.1 directly from Ableton:
http://downloads.ableton.com/channels/1 ... 0.1_64.dmg

Hope this gets fixed - either by Arturia or in Live 10.0.3!

[jur]
Site Admin
Posts: 1669
Joined: Mon Jun 01, 2015 3:04 pm
Location: Ableton

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by [jur] » Wed May 30, 2018 8:30 am

Please report to support@ableton.com
thx!
Ableton Forum Moderator

mcnitt
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 1:24 am

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by mcnitt » Wed May 30, 2018 6:33 pm

Additional test information -- 10.0.2 crashes with both AU and VST versions of Arturia plugins.

The 10.0.2 release notes list a number of bug fixes related to AU plugins, so I decided to test using Arturia VST plugins instead to see if the 10.0.2 issues are limited to AU. Unfortunately, the same crashes occur with Arturia VST plugins as well.

10.0.2 bug fixes relating to plugins
  • AU plug-in default presets (.aupreset files) were no longer shown in the Live 10 browser.
  • Fixed a problem which might prevent AU presets from recalling correctly.
  • AU plug-in parameters might behave erratically when being controlled with the mouse, under certain circumstances.
  • Live would crash when an AU plug-in instance which couldn't be loaded was removed from a Set.
  • Fixed a scenario where Push 2's display could crash when hot-swapping AU plug-in presets.

daizok
Posts: 57
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:05 am

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by daizok » Wed May 30, 2018 6:48 pm

Hi McNitt,

Ableton staff posted an update on the AU issues on the beta forum. Unfortunately the fix for this issue did not make it in time for 10.0.2.
Implementation is scheduled for the next beta, which will be released soon (indicated around 1 or 2 weeks from now).

Best,
daiz
Last edited by daizok on Wed May 30, 2018 7:20 pm, edited 2 times in total.

mcnitt
Posts: 16
Joined: Wed May 30, 2018 1:24 am

Re: Arturia Analog 3 / V Collection crashes 10.0.2?

Post by mcnitt » Wed May 30, 2018 7:18 pm

daizok wrote:Hi McNitt,

Ableton staff posted an update on the AU issues on the beta forum. Unfortunately the fix for this issue did not make it in time for 10.0.2.
Implementation is scheduled for the next beta, which will be released soon (indicated around 1 or 2 weeks from now).

Best,
daiz
Just searched the beta forums and found this report about Arturia, "Live hangs loading Arturia VSTs grouped to an instrument rack". The issue presented on both Windows and Mac. The bug was fixed on Windows but not Mac. For anyone curious, you can join the beta in your user account, then be able to view the thread below.

https://ableton.centercode.com/project/ ... E4A667B8C}

The title of the issue is misleading as the poster later discovered that the Arturia plugin does not need to be in an instrument rack, however if the track contains both an Arturia plugin and an effect, then Ableton 10.0.2 will crash. If a track contains only an Arturia plugin with no additional effects, Ableton does not crash.

So this seems to be an Ableton Live issue, not an Arturia issue.

Post Reply