Follow Up Actions FOR SCENES !

catacumbia · Post by **catacumbia** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:28 pm

making a song throught the session-method:
I understand the follow-up-action-item surrounding the tracks... but is there also a follow-up-action method so i can program the order of the scenes (as opposed to tracks).
In that way i would not need to concentrate on the overall structure, but i could then concentrate on twisting the effects-stuff while recording or playing live.

thank you
catacumbia

with G4 / ableton live 6

djgroovy · Post by **djgroovy** » Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:39 pm

You should go to the feature wishlist forum, this has had many requests.

... +1

4ace · Post by **4ace** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:58 pm

This feature USED to exist,.....it was removed recently to my shock and dismay.

I don't know when it was dropped as i don't use it that much but it sucks when you find something missing...

djgroovy · Post by **djgroovy** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:57 am

I dont think that feature ever existed... not since L4 at least.

4ace · Post by **4ace** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:13 pm

djgroovy wrote:I dont think that feature ever existed... not since L4 at least.

This makes NO sense what so ever

If the feature never existed since version 4 that means it did once exist....

Anyway......i sure remember double clicking in the scene launch window and a "blank" clip view popping up with Launch actions in there.It sort of acted as a global clip for all clip in the scene.

Palmer Eldritch · Post by **Palmer Eldritch** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:35 pm

4ace wrote: Anyway......i sure remember double clicking in the scene launch window and a "blank" clip view popping up with Launch actions in there.It sort of acted as a global clip for all clip in the scene.

The first time i saw this feature was in Live 8b14

but unfortunately they skipped it in Live 10 at the final release

only the big abe in the sky knows why

bye

p.e.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 12:38 am

4ace wrote:This feature USED to exist,.....it was removed recently to my shock and dismay.

I don't know when it was dropped as i don't use it that much but it sucks when you find something missing...

follow actions for scnes? news to me

Mark-K. · Post by **Mark-K.** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:39 am

One kind of Workaround is..if you got a song for about lets say 5 min...record your clips to arrangement view..like create a five minute file for each clip either midi or audio...then consolidate them and put em back into session view...al in one horizontal row..and write in the dedicated master channel like 144bpm or so...then you only have to trigger the master(clip) and can concentrate on tweaking..just make sure you don`t forget to hit the next master(clip) when the ongoing is going to be finished..hope that helps...and maybe someone got an even better idea..

basically i try to do it that way...

but i got even another idea..but i guess it`s nothing new for al you abes..

like i bounce out several 8bar samples out of my pre arranged/mixed/maybe mastered
track...and import those 8bar loops into the session view...then i can just trigger them via midi...while in the same line i got some midi or seperate audio tracks/files that used to be in the track actualy and just tweak them...then i got full controll on when i want to have break or a kitkat..

i arrange and write all my tracks actualy in cubase and thats a bit of pain ita...cause warped 8bar loops do sound different to me..compared to the non warped ones in cubase4..but thats why i hope live7 will handle this..i just think the Audioengine of live6 does not sound as good as the Engine of C4..

so we`ll see..actualy i got not really enough fitting material to set up a mindblowing liveset...

but hope that helps you in any way..
btw...if my productions would be at a higher level..then it might be no big difference between c4 and l6..naarg who cares on the dancefloor...almost everything sounds better than mp3 dj`s...

pepezabala · Post by **pepezabala** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:13 am

Hey,

You can midi-assign the scene-launch-buttons. Then make a midi track put in some midi clips that will fire those scenes. Now set length and follow actions on those clips as desired.

Instead of follow actions it would even be enough to set up those midi clips correctly. For example:

In scene one there is a midi clip. This clip contains nothing until bar 4, there is note 1. Note one is assigned to scene launch of scene 2. So if you lanch scene 1 you will have scene 2 starting automatically after 4 bars (if gloabal quantize is set to one bar).

In scene two you have the next clip with a note assigned to scene launch of scene 3. etc.

superfacil.

Mark-K. · Post by **Mark-K.** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:03 am

Does this work with audio too?maybe with markers?where can i assing the scene launch buttons?

thx

pepezabala · Post by **pepezabala** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:31 am

it works with SCENES - they can contain audioclips, yes. You can assign the scene launchbuttons by clicking on the midi-assign-button and then assigning the scenelaunch-buttons

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 9:57 am

so can you do bpm transitions this way then?

pepezabala · Post by **pepezabala** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:49 am

friend_kami wrote:so can you do bpm transitions this way then?

yes, if you rename the scenes accordingly.

Again, for those who do not understand:

Imagine you would assign a controller to the scene-launchbutton. What happens here? A midi note gets sent to Live and triggers the scene launch.

Instead of using a controller to send this note you can have Live itself sending it.

You just make a clip with this note in it. The clip has to be in a midi channel that is routed to the IAC-driver/MidiYoke.

In live's preferences you enable the midi-remote-input for IAC/Midi-yoke.

So when live plays the note, it gets send out as a note and comes in again as a "controller message".

Now you can put a midi clip into each scene that contains the note after a certain number of bars. When the note finally gets played - then it will trigger the scene launch it has been assigned to.

Sounds complicated, but if you get it it's super easy.

friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:51 pm

i know that in works in theory, but last time i tested it it just spazzed out and instantly jumped to the last scene in my session arrangement followaction scheme, disregarding anyhting between the first and the last one, even though they were set to "next" at a 0.2.0 setting. in theory it works, but in practice it didnt work whatsoever. perhaps i was just unlucky, ill give it another go tomorrow and see what happens.

pepezabala · Post by **pepezabala** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 7:37 am

I would try it without follow action. It should be enough to put the trigger note into the clip, after the desired amount of bars.

Scene 1 - midi clip empty until the 4th bar, in this last bar you have the note that triggers scene 2

Scene 2 - midi clip empty until the 4th bar, in this last bar you have the note that triggers scene 3

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