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I was only wanting to make sure of this:

-As it is, in Live, what you hear during recording with monitor IN, is what you get while playing back, after recording.

Now, I understood that it is NOT what you want. Thanks for the input.

Regards,
Amaury

I have absolutely no idea how you came to that ...

About my pianist? Well, it is for every pianist in the world the same. Solo or with the orchestra, theinstrument is the same. So when with an orchestra, the playing adapts. But when playing solo too, because firstly the latency varies, and the pianist need to listen to what he does, not look at his ...

Amaury my friend...you talk too much. :) With all due respect, you have beaten this subject to a bloody pulp waxing philosophical about how you think people play an instrument ahead of time to deal with latencies. I had to take a break from it.

Bottom line: I agree with everything popslut wrote ...

The thing is: we are talking about monitoring an instrument right?

Yes.

So when you play it, it sounds later than the played notes on the keyboard, because of the latency it introduces (and that is not avoidable), right?

Right.

So, while recording the instrument, how will you play the notes ...

the thing is, if you monitor devices on the track, when you hit a note, the sound comes later, according to the latency of the devices.
So, if monitor is ON, and you play and record notes, you hear the sound delayed.
Now, when playing back, the delay of the devices will be compensated, so, if the ...

I'm still not sure if I would like a software to shift my performance after I played it while hearing it, means that what I will get will be earlier than what I heard when playing... but I may not fully get it.

Regards,
Amaury

Amaury, you aren't getting it. You have this idea in your head that ...

Digidesign implemented everything about delay compensation exactly right. There is no better way to do it, except by eliminating all latency throughout the system, which is of course impossible...for now. Perhaps soon...

I will do, but again we have skillful engineers and programmers that know ...

Hi, So, from your description, as I understand it, Pro tools would let you hear your performance as you play it, and then would shift the data to a place you never intended to play?

No. If you got that from what I wrote, then you are completely misunderstanding what I am talking about. Sorry.

I ...

On a related note - no one has mentioned the term "solo isolate", another universally implemented feature in all other DAWs. Abelton has it implemented right now that you can solo isolate a separate dedicated FX track, but that sucks. If I assign kick/snare/hat to a group/aux track (using Pro Tools ...

Wow. I found this thread very interesting. Glad I found it.

I don't know why Ableton finds this such a difficult issue to resolve.

In Pro Tools, it is very simple. There is a setting called "Auto-compensate for delay after record pass."

What is means is simply that, while you are recording, and ...

Nope...that solution works out to be way too complicated in the real world. Clips won't preview at the right tempo, everything has to be manually forced to warp at 3x the orig tempo...it's too much of a hassle for a real project where I have dozens of tracks and hundreds of clips.

-Bryan

I get it. You want to control the rate at which time passes between warp markers, and a bezier curve type control would definitely accomplish that.

I personally can't think of how that would be useful in terms of 99% of musical scenarios, but...I agree there's always that 1% of the time when it ...

Well...you can create warp markers anywhere right now. But I guess what you mean is you want to be able to define any beat value for any warp marker. I agree, that would be very useful, although for the most part if you have up to 1/64 note triplet resolution, that would cover just about every ...

longjohns wrote: the possible exception being beats mode, because the action is centered around the transients setting, rather than spread out evenly (?)

Exactly. That's a significant part of the problem...

-Bryan

i'm not discounting your desire for this feature,

but do you really need to place that many warp markers, that they're going to be all over the place inside bars?

No, not always - but occasionally yes. It just depends how many samples and loops I'm stacking together and how tight I need ...