Are Macs becoming more unstable?

[beats me]

Mine has been totally flawless.

I haven't seen any complaints about Ableton without 3rd party plugins. Some of the people bitching mention stuff like using multiple instances of Massive etc.
So logical to assume in a number of cases it's user error rather than software or OS. Plus people cram their computers full of shit, then moan when none of it works how it's meant to...

Don't trust everything you read on the internet, one thing I have learnt in 22 years in this world is that people are fucking stupid.

Mine's crashed twice today - L8.0.5 on OS X 10.5.8 (latest updates) with only my purchased u-he plug-ins in use (and they weren't enabled in the tracks I was manipulating when it crashed). Non-reproducible crashes. See the Support forum if you're interested...
It's definitely not user error. And anyway, as far as I'm concerned, user error should *never* result in a crash, it should just do nothing or show a warning.

Edit: oh, 3rd crash just now when I quit Live. User error...

I've had Live 8 crash using nothing but recorded audio and native Live devices.

I now have some sets in 8 that the faders and everything associated with the "M" panel isn't there and I can't get them back. The M button is either gray or black.

I used 8 for about 3 days when all this was happening and I just gave up and went back to 7.

[OvertoneZero]

yes

look at that horrible snow leopard bug that deletes all user data when you log into a guest account..

[Sage]

Mine has been totally flawless.

I haven't seen any complaints about Ableton without 3rd party plugins. Some of the people bitching mention stuff like using multiple instances of Massive etc.
So logical to assume in a number of cases it's user error rather than software or OS. Plus people cram their computers full of shit, then moan when none of it works how it's meant to...

Don't trust everything you read on the internet, one thing I have learnt in 22 years in this world is that people are fucking stupid.

Mine's crashed twice today - L8.0.5 on OS X 10.5.8 (latest updates) with only my purchased u-he plug-ins in use (and they weren't enabled in the tracks I was manipulating when it crashed). Non-reproducible crashes. See the Support forum if you're interested...
It's definitely not user error. And anyway, as far as I'm concerned, user error should *never* result in a crash, it should just do nothing or show a warning.

Edit: oh, 3rd crash just now when I quit Live. User error...

Not saying in every circumstance it's user error. But Live has probably at most crashed 3 times ever, one of those was 7, not 8.

Possibly software conflicting? Once tried installing a Melodyne demo and wasn't able to use Cubase anymore as a result, couldn't get Pro Tools to run at all on XP, had certain 3rd party plugins which I could only use once within a project otherwise I'd never be able to load it up again without whatever programme crashing...

[The Landwhale]

Hard to tell, but I will say this.

I absolutely despise using Windows (personal preference... but I'm definitely indoctrinated to the point of no return ), been using nothing but macs for about 6 years now (including 1 hackintosh), and personally, I felt a slight downward spiral in stability up until Snow Leopard, which (for me at least) has been much better than Leopard.

Panther seemed rock solid, was using Live 4 and an original 828, and no exaggeration, I experienced less than a half-dozen crashes of Live in about a year's time. As far as plugs, it was Live's plugs, Pluggo, and every free plugin I could get my hands on KVR and the like, so the potential for instability was huge.
Which is exactly why I started worrying when I switched to Macbook, Tiger, Live 6 combo and started getting 2-3 crashes per month with Live + Pluggos. Then Leopard came along, and it was worse, usually getting a crash or two per week with Live, and overall system wise experienced a fair amount of system hanging, airport bullshit, etc.

All minor stuff, but once you've left Windows and forget about always dealing with that type of crap, it turns you into a big spoiled pussy. So I get real bent out of shape on the occasion things don't "just work".
I know I personally get unnecessarily stressed out when an application crashes or hangs, or god forbid an application doesn't load as fast as I'd like (which would be instantly please, thank you).

Snow Leopard seems so far to have brought things back in the right direction, but I hope it continues this way.
Unfortunately, I'm sure it's inevitable that as they get more popular, and Apple keeps getting bigger, the quality will likely go down, as is normally the case for any product offered by corporations of this size.
Each revision normally starts experiencing corner-cutting, profit-increasing changes that only provide a benefit to the bank accounts of the fat boys running the show, not the product itself.

I hope this doesn't hold true for Apple products, but I'm not holding my breath.
Thinking about it, I would actually prefer Apple to not grow too much more, so they have to work harder to keep their products up to par.

So please, DON"T BUY apple computers, Windows rules.

[H20nly]

Apple keeps getting bigger, the quality will likely go down, as is normally the case for any product offered by corporations of this size

Hi Mac users. I would like to welcome you to...
what happens.

They're spending all their money on product placement and need to get back to product development.

[shuutobi]

I'm pretty close to installing XP via bootcamp.
10.6 has been a sluggish POS.

[john doe by choice]

I'd say that per capita, the ratio of idiots to proper users is equal in both camps - you just have to know where/how to look for issues instead of letting things get worse. Anyway, OSX is super stable for me, and everything I've added to both my MBP (just RAM) and my MacPro (RAM, HD's, UAD card) are not peripherals sold by apple, it's all third party...it all works, no issues, just gotta know what you're looking at when you go under the hood, in any case.

As for upgrading, I learn my lessons from the pain of others, not exactly having the time to invest in early adoption and the issues included. I got screwed with MobileMe, but I was on for a couple of years before it changed from Mac.com - I got screwed with forced beta testing for a product that should never have seen the light of day, and that's all the lesson I need on the matter.

Having said that, the only time I see crashes is when I throw way too much at the software - I'm still on FCP 5.1, for christs sake, all for the love of a stable system that I know instead of learning tons of new shit and not getting anything creative done. Again, a proper perspective I see plenty of people using in both Mac and PC camps.

Mac vs. PC? Couldn't care less if your hammer says stanley on it's new jacketed-fiberglass grip, my wood handled hammer still pounds nails, has since long before my grandfather passed it to me.

[shatzer]

I still don't get why windows computers are called PCs and MACs are not. PC is a personal computer. Does this make your MAC public? If so i'm coming over right now to download shemale porn.

And MACs are for old people and little children.

[ThrowAway]

My new girlfriend is a mac, shes very unstable.

[hurlingdervish]

the only thing worse than a conspiracy thread is a mac thread.

[3osc]

the only thing worse than a conspiracy thread is a mac thread.

Really? Not even brain cancer?

[MTG105]

don't update your machine if you're concerned with stability, its simple. how can you possibly expect every piece of software to work in perfect harmony if you're updating core system files every 3 weeks? its a DAW, not your grandpa's imac.

[john doe by choice]

the only thing worse than a mac vs. pc thread is someone who thinks that sort of shit matters.

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[IP]

dont know if macs becoming more unstable but i know they becoming more DANGEROUS!!!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8304229.stm

ftw

[necho]

the only thing worse than a mac vs. pc thread is someone who thinks that sort of shit matters.

Fixed for accuracy.

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1. compulsively upgrading your production environment will cause stability issues.
2. its just a fucking computer. how many classical composers do you think start flame wars over which type of manuscript paper is best?