Scrubbing through an audio clip

[Cort3x]

Hello everyone

I think I've never gotten audio scrubbing to work right, or maybe I'm just expecting too much from it.

Does "scrubbing" mean that you get a continuous sound when moving the marker back and forth on the track, and that a very small loop is played when you hold the marker still? Kind of like moving a vinyl record back and forth... ? That is my impression of what scrubbing is. I expect that you can use it to gather your bearings, find out where in the clip the marker is located.

However, when I move the launch marker left and right in the clip view with the left mouse button down, the marker does indeed follow - but audio playback is a tiny loop that starts playing only after I've held the marker still for half a second or so. So, I can press the marker, it starts that tiny loop, swoop the marker up and down the clip whilst that tiny loop still just plays, and when I hold the marker still, a loop starts playing in this new position.
I have quantization set to "None".

Am I expecting too much from the scrubbing feature, or am I doin it rong?

[Cort3x]

*Bump*

I strongly suspect that someone in here will know this =)

[8O]

Have you tried setting global quantisation to "none" and the clip quantisation to "1/32"? Or rather, try increasing the size of the quantisation to 1/16 or 1/8th to get something identifiable...

[Cort3x]

It's easy enough to get it to loop a recognizable area of the song, by increasing the quantization unit, as you say.

However, the currently playing bit doesn't follow the marker when I move it around. Isn't that what "scrubbing" is? Like what dj's do when they're queueing up a new record - listening on the headset, spinning the record back and forth, trying to find the right spot?

[aeon_flux]

Like what dj's do when they're queueing up a new record - listening on the headset, spinning the record back and forth, trying to find the right spot?

quite similiar. best used with knob - in midi map mode additional control appears between nudge buttons. 0 is start of the song, max to the right is end of song. scrubbing is always in sync (according to set quantization).

[Cort3x]

What I'm curious about is whether or not it is possible to have the sound follow the (moving) marker, continually playing what is at the marker.

You say that scrubbing is in sync according to the set quantization - how does your scrubbing act when quantization is set to "None" ? I was hoping that it'd be like a horribly digitalized, but otherwise similar version of spinning record platters back and forth.

[dna598]

I think you may require what i need as well, but what some fanboys here seem to think is unneccessary...which is slice auditioning.

If i am correct, you want to hear both sides of the where a marker is stamped, and exclusively the marker you have focus on. SO that it doesnt loop over and over.

In my experience i have found the LACK of slice auditioning, or "scrubbing" in Ableton very annoying, and i hate to say it but recycle is still better.
Transient detection is hit and miss in Live, especially considering all the re-jigging you have to do to the midi file afterwards if you want to accurately capture the beat.

Alt+ clicking on clip waveform would solve it if i was one of the abes.

[Illiac]

in midi map mode additional control appears between nudge buttons. 0 is start of the song, max to the right is end of song. scrubbing is always in sync (according to set quantization).

There's no additional control for or near the nudge in midi map mode. No min/ max value either. What exactly are you referring to?

[aeon_flux]

There's no additional control for or near the nudge in midi map mode. No min/ max value either. What exactly are you referring to?

clip nudge not a tempo nudge.

[Cort3x]

If i am correct, you want to hear both sides of the where a marker is stamped, and exclusively the marker you have focus on. SO that it doesnt loop over and over.

I'm not 100% sure about what you mean here, but basically, I don't mind the sound looping just around/at where I have the marker currently placed - I just want the currently looped section to follow the marker CONTINUOUSLY. What good is it to hear an isolated sliver of sound, and then another isolated sliver of sound, and then a third? This doesn't give me any bearing of where I am in the track. What I need is to hear all of those little slivers as I move the marker up and down the track, so I can *sort of* spin the track up and down like on a vinyl record player. Instead, it's like I'm dropping the needle in one spot, listening to a second, dropping the needle somewhere else, listening to another second...

But maybe I'm just misunderstanding what "scrubbing" means.

Can anyone explain to me - in very explicit terms - what "scrubbing" is in Ableton?

[Slightlydelic]

in midi map mode additional control appears between nudge buttons. 0 is start of the song, max to the right is end of song. scrubbing is always in sync (according to set quantization).

There's no additional control for or near the nudge in midi map mode. No min/ max value either. What exactly are you referring to?

look at the clips nudge buttons, < > when you enable midi map mode an extra box apears between the buttos, map that little box to a fader or knob and it gives you forward and back scrubbing,

personaly im not after a the scrubbing play head type of thing, just a way to slip though the waveform, to find things for looping, so control the play marker and the loop markers of a fader with global quantise set to 4-8 bars,

[dna598]

There aint no scrubbing in this program.

[Cort3x]

There aint no scrubbing in this program.

I'm beginning to suspect that this is the case.

Aight, thanks for your contributions everyone.

[Tone Deft]

click the mouse on the measure indicator at the top of Live, hold down the mouse and drag up and down. scrubbing. works for previews too.

[dna598]

click the mouse on the measure indicator at the top of Live, hold down the mouse and drag up and down. scrubbing. works for previews too.

not really as far as i can see...Are you talking about scrubbing in the arrangement position? That is certainly not scrubbing as its using the bars/beats on the arrangement, not the audio. Scrubbing the previews just starts auditioning on click. This is not scrubbing either, but for previews who cares.
As we are talking about clips i'm sure you know that the scrub tool resolution is determined by the quantize value. The quantize value often bears no relation to the timing of specific hits within a given loop, and therefore precise auditioning of slices is not possible. This is pretty useless when all you want to hear is the current slice, or in the case of the OP, "scroll" through a slice. Ableton is missing these features.Isnt it Mr. Deft?