Antares now forces existing users to purchase an iLok

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Antares now forces existing users to purchase an iLok

Post by majestic » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:57 am

So, I just got my new Powerbook and proceeded to move all my audio stuff across to it. Live, Spectrasonics, Melodyne, etc. all reauthorised without problems in the new machine. But when I tried to get a new response code for Autotune 4, this is what Antares told me:

"Dear Pete, The response I am giving you is a temporary authorization. Under our new policies, the only permanent authorizations we will be issuing from now on will be ilok. Hopefully the temporary authorization will give the customer sufficient time to acquire an iLok. Please go to www.ilok.com for more information on purchasing your iLok. Thanks!"

And this, to a long-time fully-paid-up-on-multiple-versions Antares user. Yes, "thanks!" to you too! :roll:

Antares, you might like to consider updating your website with these new policies.
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Post by AdamJay » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:59 am

ouch, those things are $40 if you don't already have one.
what a crock!

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Post by majestic » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:03 am

AdamJay wrote:ouch, those things are $40 if you don't already have one.
Oh, it's better than that - audiomidi's quoting an additional USD$37 to ship it to Singapore!

Ah, whatever. Life's too short to stress. But I do think people should know about this. :)

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Post by AdamJay » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:10 am

Majestic, make sure to run the Live 4 Performance Test on your new PB!

we havent had a 1.67ghz G4 tested yet :wink: :wink:

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Post by majestic » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:27 am

AdamJay wrote:Majestic, make sure to run the Live 4 Performance Test on your new PB!
Yep, I actually ran it a couple of days ago and updated the thread - it peaks at 41%. I love it, it's a mighty fine 'puter! And my 3-year-old daughter now has a beaten-up old 1GHz PB for her Pooh Bear games. :D

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Post by Milkmansound » Wed Feb 23, 2005 5:40 am

ilok seems a little scammy to me - but I guess its the inevitable result of pirating. Yar...

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Post by AdamJay » Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:06 am

majestic wrote:
AdamJay wrote:Majestic, make sure to run the Live 4 Performance Test on your new PB!
Yep, I actually ran it a couple of days ago and updated the thread - it peaks at 41%. I love it, it's a mighty fine 'puter! And my 3-year-old daughter now has a beaten-up old 1GHz PB for her Pooh Bear games. :D
lucky daughter! hehe

41% eh? my new 1.5ghz is running 48-49% but i'm still very pleased with it. One great thing about OSX is the stock Audio Unit plugins, i find myself using AU Matrix Reverb, AU Highpass, AU Lowpass, and the AU graphic EQ alot and they are all so extremely cpu lite.

the imac G5 1.6ghz scored a 39% which is very close to your result, confirming my thoughts on how these latest PB's are as good as a G5 PB release would have been (we could have expected an even slower G5 FSB to be shoehorned into a powerbook at this point in time).

now if only we could get that altivec! :)

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Post by AdamJay » Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:09 am

Milkmansound wrote:ilok seems a little scammy to me - but I guess its the inevitable result of pirating. Yar...
like many "inevitible results of pirating" that end up pissing paying customers off, there's always yet another pirate workaround that non-payers can use. Enter the ilok reset apple script.

iloks are dumb!

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Post by j » Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:46 am

Hey Adam

Does that mean you got things sorted with the 12' inch pbook?
Just curious what the solution was?

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Post by AdamJay » Wed Feb 23, 2005 6:53 am

yea its all sorted out now, i mentioned it in the thread over in the bugs & problems section, but i'll mention it again here...

Ableton support pinpointed the problem that the .wav files in my liveset.als were corrupted somehow.

i was using an NTFS formatted firewire HD to transfer the files from the PC to the Mac now that OSX supports the reading (but not writing) of NTFS HD's. Well, this firewire HD was somehow corrupting the audio files just enough so they'd play back in Ableton but with alot of glitching and hiccuping. So it was very subtle corruption, but any kind of file corruption is BAD! I think this OSX reading NTFS thing is new and not necessarily bug-free. So i transfered the files over 100mbit ethernet instead and now it runs as it should (like a champ!).

i recommend to everyone not to read NTFS disks in OSX even if its now possible, it certainly presents some risks.

enough hijacking this thread,
where were we? oh yea, Antares has lost it!

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Post by Zakari Luk » Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:58 am

i think antares deserves to have all their stuff pirated and hacked if they are going to be facist fucks and piss on their paying customers. i dont own anything by them but i was going to get kantos and filter, not no more though.

i blame antares anyway for the wave of un-talented wanna-bes that cant sing that have polluted the airwaves for the past 6 years. fuck them and their auto-tune.

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Post by proteron » Thu Feb 24, 2005 2:52 am

indeed. though I'd rather do the touchup work in Melodyne, it seems a lot classier and better sounding ;)... The hard quantized halftone effect in autotune makes me want to wretch when it is dialed up that way...
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i blame antares anyway for the wave of un-talented wanna-bes that cant sing that have polluted the airwaves for the past 6 years. fuck them and their auto-tune.
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Post by majestic » Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:55 am

Autotune's a great tool, it's just that a lot of people abuse it (intentionally or otherwise), just like you can abuse a compressor and turn it into an effect if that's what you want. I also own Melodyne, so I rarely use Autotune for vocals, but I always have 3-5 instances loaded to process other stuff. It's indispensable for tuning ambient sound and field recordings, it just saves so much time. You can also use it to generate instrumental harmonies, fatten sounds, etc.

I really would prefer to run it without a dongle though.

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Post by drumroll57 » Thu Feb 24, 2005 9:08 am

Zakari Luk wrote:i think antares deserves to have all their stuff pirated and hacked if they are going to be facist fucks and piss on their paying customers.... fuck them and their auto-tune.
Well, I would like to thank you for such incredibly perceptive insights and powerful, heartfelt pearls of wisdom, obviously derived from a lifetime of dedicated, trailblazing Pro-Audio experience.

It goes without saying that all of us in the Ableton community are wholeheartedly behind your efforts to make the world a simpler, less welcoming place.

Perhaps if you owned a software company and were at the critical point where piracy is forcing you to (G*d forbid!!) change the way you're doing business in order to survive and keep paying your employees, as well as bringing more exciting products to market, you may look at it as a small inconvenience, rather than resorting to the kind of banter which I would have thought was best left to those old ladies complaining about the price and diminishing quality of tomatoes at their local supermarket.

I would like to respectfully suggest that you channel this pent-up anger into making some incredible music. Rather than crying about the price of a dongle, you may even be able to buy the company! LOL!

D.
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Post by Zakari Luk » Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:12 pm

drumroll57 wrote:
Zakari Luk wrote:i think antares deserves to have all their stuff pirated and hacked if they are going to be facist fucks and piss on their paying customers.... fuck them and their auto-tune.
Well, I would like to thank you for such incredibly perceptive insights and powerful, heartfelt pearls of wisdom, obviously derived from a lifetime of dedicated, trailblazing Pro-Audio experience.

It goes without saying that all of us in the Ableton community are wholeheartedly behind your efforts to make the world a simpler, less welcoming place.

Perhaps if you owned a software company and were at the critical point where piracy is forcing you to (G*d forbid!!) change the way you're doing business in order to survive and keep paying your employees, as well as bringing more exciting products to market, you may look at it as a small inconvenience, rather than resorting to the kind of banter which I would have thought was best left to those old ladies complaining about the price and diminishing quality of tomatoes at their local supermarket.

I would like to respectfully suggest that you channel this pent-up anger into making some incredible music. Rather than crying about the price of a dongle, you may even be able to buy the company! LOL!

D.
all i'm saying is i would definently not buy their software on principle. there are other ways to cut down on piracy than making existing paying users buy more software.

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