Ot: this flu shot stuff is freakin me the frack out

[H20nly]

ah, this flu has been blown way out of proportion. i mean, has anyone compared the death toll to that of the normal flus that go around a few times a year?

+1

The real numbers are so low... you've probably got a better chance of dying in an airplane crash statistically - definitely a car crash.

The pharmaceutical companies and chemical companies are the ones keeping things like hemp being re-legalized. Common sense is out the window with these clowns and has been since well before the last century (thanks Dupont you Cunts!). They're interested in one thing only... money. They have no motivation to save you or your family's life unless in doing so they get paid. The more the world becomes dependent on vaccines the better in their eyes.

Polio... now thats a vaccine. The dude who invented it gave it away. No patent, no profit. Just a genuine concern for helping kiddies.

People go to college with these grandiose ideas about how they are going to save the world or at least make it a better place... then they end up with bills and all of a sudden they're cogs in the machine they swore to change. Fact is its not up to 99% of the population. Let a disease start affecting politician's and CEO's and that 1%'s families and then you'll see change.

[adventurepants_]

There is zero scientific evidence that H1N1 vaccine has caused any of the side effects reported in the media.

The reason that epidemiologists are worried is that there is a chance that the swine flu will follow the pattern of the Spanish Flu in 1918. That hit during the winter, and was very mild like the swine flu is now. Then it mutated, and came back in the spring, and wiped out more people than WW1 did. There's good reasons for the medical professions to advise caution and to take the vaccine if youre in a high risk group.

I dont have young kids, but if i did, i would %100 get them vaccinated. It seems fashionable for people to refuse vaccinations these days. Hence measles and whooping cough are on the rise in the developed world again because of the drop in herd immunity. Baffling.

[Earwax69]

You guys are grown up man (hopefully) and the chance of dying are very low but for the kids it's really a threat. I live in Osaka and swine flu is really everywhere right now. Quite a lot of people died of it, moslty kids. It look like a normal flu until they suddenly get brain hemorrhage.

My kids will get the vaccin as soon as it's ready.

[tweeter]

when they develop a vegetarian version of the shot, I'm in.

-t-

[adventurepants_]

when they develop a vegetarian version of the shot, I'm in.

-t-

thats intrigued me. What is animal derived inside vaccines? Unless youre counting dead micro-organisms as animals.

[depnaker]

I had more problems with the 24 hour stomach flu we got a week later.
don't be scared of the ham. if you're healthy, you'll be fine. Just another OT business laws basic.

[john gordon]

i will beat the crap out of this flu.trust me.

[starving student]

i will beat the crap out of this flu.trust me.

hells yeah who needs a vaccine when John Gordons around!

[3osc]

There is zero scientific evidence that H1N1 vaccine has caused any of the side effects reported in the media.

The reason that epidemiologists are worried is that there is a chance that the swine flu will follow the pattern of the Spanish Flu in 1918. That hit during the winter, and was very mild like the swine flu is now. Then it mutated, and came back in the spring, and wiped out more people than WW1 did. There's good reasons for the medical professions to advise caution and to take the vaccine if youre in a high risk group.

I dont have young kids, but if i did, i would %100 get them vaccinated. It seems fashionable for people to refuse vaccinations these days. Hence measles and whooping cough are on the rise in the developed world again because of the drop in herd immunity. Baffling.

Rationality. Thank the Lord Hippocrates.

The H1N1 vaccine is made in exactly the same way that the seasonal flu vaccine is made. It's not untested. It's not unsafe, but any doctor will admit there are low rates of serious side effects. Considering that H1N1 is picking out otherwise heathy people and outright killing people, I think it's worth stopping its spread, mild or not.

The Internet really isn't the best source of medical information, believe it or not. Go talk to doctors. The more the better.

[H20nly]

The Internet really isn't the best source of medical information, believe it or not. Go talk to doctors. The more the better.

Just make sure if its during lunchtime that you get em to swallow first and wipe the food off their chin that the drug rep just fed them.

its right there. no no, right there. wait, yeah... yeah you got it.

[pepezabala]

There is zero scientific evidence that H1N1 vaccine has caused any of the side effects reported in the media.

The reason that epidemiologists are worried is that there is a chance that the swine flu will follow the pattern of the Spanish Flu in 1918. That hit during the winter, and was very mild like the swine flu is now. Then it mutated, and came back in the spring, and wiped out more people than WW1 did. There's good reasons for the medical professions to advise caution and to take the vaccine if youre in a high risk group.

I dont have young kids, but if i did, i would %100 get them vaccinated. It seems fashionable for people to refuse vaccinations these days. Hence measles and whooping cough are on the rise in the developed world again because of the drop in herd immunity. Baffling.

Rationality. Thank the Lord Hippocrates.

The H1N1 vaccine is made in exactly the same way that the seasonal flu vaccine is made. It's not untested. It's not unsafe, but any doctor will admit there are low rates of serious side effects. Considering that H1N1 is picking out otherwise heathy people and outright killing people, I think it's worth stopping its spread, mild or not.

The Internet really isn't the best source of medical information, believe it or not. Go talk to doctors. The more the better.

Well not true. In Europe they use a vaccine that was developed by Glaxo Smith Kline. This vaccine is making use of new additional ingredients that are supposed to amplify the efectiveness of the vaccine. But lots of specialists are unsure of side-effects, most doctors in germany and in spain do not recommend to use this vaccine.
Funny enough, the german military has bought vaccine without those extra-ingredients, in order to be safe.

Fact also is that the pharmacy industry is making a whole lot of money with producing the vaccine, and that they are not lieable for damage as the WHO has declared pandemia.

It's all very fishy.

Ah, and the vaccine is of no use when the virus mutates.

So they tell us to take a vaccine that is using not properly tested ingredients from an industry that is not lieable for damages.

I can understand that some people find that strange.

[3osc]

There is zero scientific evidence that H1N1 vaccine has caused any of the side effects reported in the media.

The reason that epidemiologists are worried is that there is a chance that the swine flu will follow the pattern of the Spanish Flu in 1918. That hit during the winter, and was very mild like the swine flu is now. Then it mutated, and came back in the spring, and wiped out more people than WW1 did. There's good reasons for the medical professions to advise caution and to take the vaccine if youre in a high risk group.

I dont have young kids, but if i did, i would %100 get them vaccinated. It seems fashionable for people to refuse vaccinations these days. Hence measles and whooping cough are on the rise in the developed world again because of the drop in herd immunity. Baffling.

Rationality. Thank the Lord Hippocrates.

The H1N1 vaccine is made in exactly the same way that the seasonal flu vaccine is made. It's not untested. It's not unsafe, but any doctor will admit there are low rates of serious side effects. Considering that H1N1 is picking out otherwise heathy people and outright killing people, I think it's worth stopping its spread, mild or not.

The Internet really isn't the best source of medical information, believe it or not. Go talk to doctors. The more the better.

Well not true. In Europe they use a vaccine that was developed by Glaxo Smith Kline. This vaccine is making use of new additional ingredients that are supposed to amplify the efectiveness of the vaccine. But lots of specialists are unsure of side-effects, most doctors in germany and in spain do not recommend to use this vaccine.
Funny enough, the german military has bought vaccine without those extra-ingredients, in order to be safe.

Fact also is that the pharmacy industry is making a whole lot of money with producing the vaccine, and that they are not lieable for damage as the WHO has declared pandemia.

It's all very fishy.

Ah, and the vaccine is of no use when the virus mutates.

So they tell us to take a vaccine that is using not properly tested ingredients from an industry that is not lieable for damages.

I can understand that some people find that strange.

I could be wrong, but I'm reasonably sure that adjuvents have been used in vaccines for years. Whether or not there are new, untested chemicals is something for an expert to talk about. That the vaccine is available without the additives - and the CDC tells us to shop around for those without the additives if we're concered - means I shouldn't have to worry about that if I don't want to.

I don't buy that the vaccine will be useless if the virus mutates. There's been talk of people exposed to a much older strain of the swine flu that are now immune or considerably resistant to the current strain. Is there any reason to believe that a virus will change more in the next 10 months than in the past 60 years? Even if the vaccine is only 50% effective after the virus mutates, if/when it does, then that's significant. Fewer people to spread it, fewer people sick overall.

And why do people consider profit to be a motivator for vaccination? Of course they make money on it, but do you have any idea how much pharamaceutical companies make off of treating those who get seriously ill?

[3osc]

The Internet really isn't the best source of medical information, believe it or not. Go talk to doctors. The more the better.

Just make sure if its during lunchtime that you get em to swallow first and wipe the food off their chin that the drug rep just fed them.

its right there. no no, right there. wait, yeah... yeah you got it.

Wild shot here - I'm guessing that you're trying to insinuate that all doctors are in the pocket of Big Pharma, except for the ones that agree with your position. I'm also going to guess that you can conjur up some evidence that doctors are getting paid off by pharmaceutical companies for each vaccination. 'Cause really, it would just be stupid to make that sort of claim without the evidence to back it up.

And Cynicism is not evidence.

[ghostly]

The Internet really isn't the best source of medical information, believe it or not. Go talk to doctors. The more the better.

That's a good one.

Your bog standard family doctor is as poorly informed about a lot of the facts in this whole debate as the general public, here in the UK anyway. All they will do is spit out the party line without taking into account people's individual requirements and fears. I am pretty relaxed about a lot of this kinda stuff but my wife is well into not putting shit into our bodies that shouldn't be put in there. She went to our GP to talk about it and he admitted he couldn't answer any of her queries. We asked another GP, same response.

[pepezabala]

I could be wrong, but I'm reasonably sure that adjuvents have been used in vaccines for years. Whether or not there are new, untested chemicals is something for an expert to talk about.

Well, that's the thing, I heard experts being worried about the adjuvents used by Glaxo Smith Kline.

Awkwords, are you a doctor or medicine student?

I really would like to hear more facts and opinions about this vaccine and the adjuvents by someone qualified, especially as I have a very young kid and plan to go to travel argentina in the beginning of next year. Up until now all I heard from "experts" was to better not use the vaccine, especially not on very young kids.

I am just a worried father reading stuff. And rather believing what doctors say, not what the government or GSK says.