Recording Automation

[gakken]

I´ve been trying to read a little around on the forum, and can´t believe what I´ve found, so I need this confirmed.

Is it really not possible to record Automation into clips?
If not, this should REALLY be a hot tip for Live 9...

[Tone Deft]

it's been a major complaint for years.

Ableton finally spoke up about it about a year ago and said it would probably take an overhaul of the core of the program.

they know we want it and that it should be in there. feel free to rant away.

[heavensdaw]

Some things suck pretty hard.. and this is one of them!

I've started using Arrange view alot more recently far earlier in my creative process than I would normally like because of this very thing..

Hd

[prebentious]

I know we'd all like it to be included in the core program, but it can be easily done with max for live

[jOop.]

I'm a Cubase user who has dabbled with Live but has never been an extensive user.

With that said, I've never been able to understand exactly what you guys are getting at. Can you give me a functional example of something that you can't do but would like to?

For me, it seems you can record CC data and other modulations into clips and then arrange these clips (devoid of other midi or audio data) to be routed to the instruments you wish to control. To me this would be recording automation, but yet it's as if we're speaking different languages.

[leedsquietman]

It does this in arrangement view but not in Session view and most of us, especially for Live performance use Session a lot (I too came from Cubase so took a while to get used to Session view) - now I use Session view a lot more and while you're building up a jam or a groove, it would be really handy if automation was recorded like it is in arrangement view, but TD is correct in that Ableton have told us it would require a major rewrite, if not a whole new build from ground up to do it. Max4Live seems to offer the potential, although there are a LOT of people expecting miracles from it and we don't even know when it's gonna drop and how much.

[shatzer]

Doesn't bother me since i don't use Ableton for live. Infact, I would love to be able to get rid of all those clip boxes on the tracks. I absolutely can't stand them and wish there was a way to delete them all. You can delete some but not all of them for some reason. Being able to use all that wasted track space for something else like plug ins or something would make my freaking day. But again, i don't see that happening ever.

[jOop.]

It does this in arrangement view but not in Session view and most of us, especially for Live performance use Session a lot (I too came from Cubase so took a while to get used to Session view) - now I use Session view a lot more and while you're building up a jam or a groove, it would be really handy if automation was recorded like it is in arrangement view, but TD is correct in that Ableton have told us it would require a major rewrite, if not a whole new build from ground up to do it. Max4Live seems to offer the potential, although there are a LOT of people expecting miracles from it and we don't even know when it's gonna drop and how much.

Wait, let's say I have two tracks in session view, one is a Reaktor synth I wrote and holds only midi note info and another is a generic midi track being routed back to the first track. If I enable record on the second (empty) midi track and play with a slider that transmits CC 21, those changes won't be recorded into the clip? If so, and I could have sworn I've done this while playing with live demos in the past, wouldn't this effectively be automation?

[delicioso]

You can only record controller movements of MIDI CCs in session view with third party plugins that have their own midi learn system. You CANNOT record parameter automation of anything in Live's session view (in other words, you can't use Live's midi mapping system to map a knob and record the movement). That's the differentiation that's confusing some of you. What's crazy about this is that this means third party plugs (given that they have their own midi learn) have an easier time of recording controller movements in session view than Live's own internal instruments and effects.

The only workaround to this within Live, although far from an ideal one, is to use a virtual midi port like IAC and another midi track to route MIDI.

One potentially more elegant solution, for those who prefer automating within a sample-based setup, is to use NI Maschine's own session view which lets you record automation of sounds inside Maschine (you can import your own sounds). Maschine's session view integrates well inside Live's session view and supports drag and drop audio export of its patterns.

[freqn]

Ableton finally spoke up about it about a year ago and said it would probably take an overhaul of the core of the program.

I think now is a better time than any considering the repetitive layering of more features over a faulty foundation with every new release. Come on Abes, your work is innovative and genius without a doubt, but you need to rebuild what needs rebuilt.

[leedsquietman]

Yes. Although expect the first revision of a rebuild (maybe the first 2 revisions) to be buggy and missing a lot of little bits and pieces. When Steinberg rebuilt Cubase from the ground up (from the old VST 5.1) it took them until SX3 to have a good balance of functionality and new features on the new rebuild - it was worth it in the end, less code, better audio engine and allowing future proofing for many forthcoming features.

[ReasonliveUSER]

can you use clip envelopes in the session view and if so wouldn't that be a solution?

[delicioso]

can you use clip envelopes in the session view and if so wouldn't that be a solution?

Uh... the point of all this is about workflow. You can draw clip envelopes with a mouse to your heart's content. You can't record controller movements into a session view clip without cumbersome workarounds as mentioned above.

[ReasonliveUSER]

can you use clip envelopes in the session view and if so wouldn't that be a solution?

Uh... the point of all this is about workflow. You can draw clip envelopes with a mouse to your heart's content. You can't record controller movements into a session view clip without cumbersome workarounds as mentioned above.

oh I see... thats why I asked bcuz I was a little lost here, thanks

[jOop.]

That's for the clarification.

Fingers crossed for a fix in the future.