I totally agree, but this particular user wanted to learn. And the core of learning is reinventing wheels... ;-)pulsoc wrote:That's ridiculous, a vast majority of users aren't interested in reinventing the wheel, they want to be able to use tools available to them.
stefan-tiedje wrote:I totally agree, but this particular user wanted to learn. And the core of learning is reinventing wheels...pulsoc wrote:That's ridiculous, a vast majority of users aren't interested in reinventing the wheel, they want to be able to use tools available to them.
Stefan
and wheel buildingAndroid Bishop wrote:stefan-tiedje wrote:I totally agree, but this particular user wanted to learn. And the core of learning is reinventing wheels...pulsoc wrote:That's ridiculous, a vast majority of users aren't interested in reinventing the wheel, they want to be able to use tools available to them.
Stefan
thats only true for math.
stefan-tiedje wrote:I totally agree, but this particular user wanted to learn. And the core of learning is reinventing wheels...pulsoc wrote:That's ridiculous, a vast majority of users aren't interested in reinventing the wheel, they want to be able to use tools available to them.
Stefan
He wants to know like many others what synth good for CREATING DIFF. SOUNDS on ur own with available synths. Ur "advice" is to build ur own guitar if u want to learn playing guitar. Learning programming software and inventing a programming language r 2 different things. By building ur own synth u learn pretty nothing about how u create diff. sounds and instruments. A simple example for this is making a pad in an subtractive synth and in an fm synth. In subtractive u would choose layered oscs for a wide spectrum and bring movement in the overtone harmonics by modulation with filters. In fm u can achieve this by some simple sin osc fm modulated by another sin osc and puttin modulation on the amplitude of this mod osc without any filters and lfos. Another example is a physical modeling synth. By building such a guitar synth u learn nothing about why a guitar sounds like a guitar. Its only math functions describing phys objects of ur guitar. There is no link to the sound of the whole guitar.stefan-tiedje wrote: I totally agree, but this particular user wanted to learn. And the core of learning is reinventing wheels...
There is no psychophysical theory out showing u why a spectrum sounds how it sounds besides some general rules like creating warmth with unison detuning, growl with vibrato. Creating sounds is an art and no rocket scienceluzil wrote:He wants to know like many others what synth good for CREATING DIFF. SOUNDS on ur own with available synths. Ur "advice" is to build ur own guitar if u want to learn playing guitar. Learning programming software and inventing a programming language r 2 different things. By building ur own synth u learn pretty nothing about how u create diff. sounds and instruments. A simple example for this is making a pad in an subtractive synth and in an fm synth. In subtractive u would choose layered oscs for a wide spectrum and bring movement in the overtone harmonics by modulation with filters. In fm u can achieve this by some simple sin osc fm modulated by another sin osc and puttin modulation on the amplitude of this mod osc without any filters and lfos. Another example is a physical modeling synth. By building such a guitar synth u learn nothing about why a guitar sounds like a guitar. Its only math functions describing phys objects of ur guitar. There is no link to the sound of the whole guitar.stefan-tiedje wrote: I totally agree, but this particular user wanted to learn. And the core of learning is reinventing wheels...
Thats why most people dont get far away from sub and wavetable synth. The methods of making sounds they learned in sub synths mostly dont work at all with other synth methods. U have to learn how a distinct synth method works to create diff. sounds. And for this u need a clear gui, good presets showing u what this synth is capable of in which way and a lot of practice with this synth and its method. And they r jsut too lazy have no time to read manuals of synths like fm8, abynth, which have pretty peculiar method of making sound. No synth would be sold only showing u the reaktor signal chain but not coming along with a manual and describing presets.
Building ur own pretty modular synth without any presets of pretty diff. sounding timbre u get the flattest learning curve possible. Anyway u cant make synths like fm8 with reaktor on ur own. Too complex, most free simple synths on kvr is pretty useless stuff, i like some nice new effects and modulation guis. But building ur own synths with so good synths already out there is really pointless. After all u want to compose a song and not build sounds from scratch already available. I dont want for every small sound a special vsti i have to search, then its faster to sample ur sounds, just get to grips with an advanced method like fm,additive or wavetable with good modulation and routing options like massive.
sry it got so long, but i really think with so many "what synth" "how to make this sound" thread ppl dont get that u have to learn to program a distinct synth/method like learing playin an instrument. Its trial and error mostly. No way or reinventing around
juno is great for learning... so is the minimoog... and the evolver as well...starving student wrote:luzil wrote:He wants to know like many others what synth good for CREATING DIFF. SOUNDS on ur own with available synths. Ur "advice" is to build ur own guitar if u want to learn playing guitar. Learning programming software and inventing a programming language r 2 different things. By building ur own synth u learn pretty nothing about how u create diff. sounds and instruments. A simple example for this is making a pad in an subtractive synth and in an fm synth. In subtractive u would choose layered oscs for a wide spectrum and bring movement in the overtone harmonics by modulation with filters. In fm u can achieve this by some simple sin osc fm modulated by another sin osc and puttin modulation on the amplitude of this mod osc without any filters and lfos. Another example is a physical modeling synth. By building such a guitar synth u learn nothing about why a guitar sounds like a guitar. Its only math functions describing phys objects of ur guitar. There is no link to the sound of the whole guitar.stefan-tiedje wrote: I totally agree, but this particular user wanted to learn. And the core of learning is reinventing wheels...
Thats why most people dont get far away from sub and wavetable synth. The methods of making sounds they learned in sub synths mostly dont work at all with other synth methods. U have to learn how a distinct synth method works to create diff. sounds. And for this u need a clear gui, good presets showing u what this synth is capable of in which way and a lot of practice with this synth and its method. And they r jsut too lazy have no time to read manuals of synths like fm8, abynth, which have pretty peculiar method of making sound. No synth would be sold only showing u the reaktor signal chain but not coming along with a manual and describing presets.
Building ur own pretty modular synth without any presets of pretty diff. sounding timbre u get the flattest learning curve possible. Anyway u cant make synths like fm8 with reaktor on ur own. Too complex, most free simple synths on kvr is pretty useless stuff, i like some nice new effects and modulation guis. But building ur own synths with so good synths already out there is really pointless. After all u want to compose a song and not build sounds from scratch already available. I dont want for every small sound a special vsti i have to search, then its faster to sample ur sounds, just get to grips with an advanced method like fm,additive or wavetable with good modulation and routing options like massive.
sry it got so long, but i really think with so many "what synth" "how to make this sound" thread ppl dont get that u have to learn to program a distinct synth/method like learing playin an instrument. Its trial and error mostly. No way or reinventing around
told these cats a juno, doesn't get any simpler while still being inspirational, plus they are vintage sounds that we are all familiar with so that helps alot to make things 'click' in ones head when they're trying to learn.
