Hi
I work in Arrange mostly, and have been wanting a true play-from-last-play hot-key command for a long time now (so I can audition my edits in the same context as I first heard them). I've been trying to roll my own with the M4L Live API, and I finally got there... except since Live loses focus on the current clip if you change playback position, it's game over... (instead I'm still dragging a Locator around with "Set Song Start Time Here" - but that's another thread).
Anyway, along the way, I came across some right ways and some wrong ways of doing some basic things with the Live API. I think it would be great if we started exchanging patch fragments as templates (a patch is worth a thousand words), so as far as moving song time around and controlling the transport from an M4L patch, I thought this might be useful... (remember to check "pen in Presentation" on the Inspector to get the UI).
First, the wrong way My call to "stop_playing" works, but throws a "No valid object set" message in the Max window for some reason I can't figure out, and I get the current_song_time property the wrong way and at the wrong time...
<pre><code>
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>
Here's the right (or at least a lot better) way:
<pre><code>
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>
Hope this is helpful saving some people some time and head-scratching!
brian
transport control templates
Re: transport control templates
many many many many thanks!!!!
I've been going through the tempo, metro and other max help files trying to sync up Live's start/stop controls. metro starts and stops with Live but it doesn't say when it starts or stops. I haven't tried API calls yet. I used your code and tied the output of live.observer is_playing to the tempo object.
WHOOOOOO!!!! my step sequencer (in progress, something to learn with with the LP) now has Live start/stop control.
this is also my first use of Live's API so I have a foothold to learn from, I can go lookup those commands. very cool, thanks.
I've been going through the tempo, metro and other max help files trying to sync up Live's start/stop controls. metro starts and stops with Live but it doesn't say when it starts or stops. I haven't tried API calls yet. I used your code and tied the output of live.observer is_playing to the tempo object.
WHOOOOOO!!!! my step sequencer (in progress, something to learn with with the LP) now has Live start/stop control.
this is also my first use of Live's API so I have a foothold to learn from, I can go lookup those commands. very cool, thanks.
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Re: transport control templates
edit - next morning, dust has settled...
seems that live.observer is_playing stops sending STOP commands after a while. I'll do something and it starts back up again.
FWIW this is what I've got going, a simple start to a step sequencer. I started with a step sequencer I made for a max class in a week but I think it will be easier to start over, I know more now. sigh.
<pre><code>
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-----------end_max5_patcher-----------
</code></pre>
seems that live.observer is_playing stops sending STOP commands after a while. I'll do something and it starts back up again.
FWIW this is what I've got going, a simple start to a step sequencer. I started with a step sequencer I made for a max class in a week but I think it will be easier to start over, I know more now. sigh.
<pre><code>
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</code></pre>
In my life
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
Re: transport control templates
THANKZ!!!
also usable for my sequencer
Question: How do you get your code in such form:
also usable for my sequencer
Question: How do you get your code in such form:
When I copy my patch I get something like this:-------begin_max5_patcher----------
2665.3oc6csrbiaiEcsSU4e.k1NdTvCBBfYWRlMYwLoWL6RkpK8f1lwRjtnn
SZOol+8gD.RhxFj.jFxfnqzKZQCKKctm6SbA.4e9seyMKVW9krCK.+Cvu.t4
l+rYjaji0NxMGG3lE6W8kM6VcP9FWT7790YUKtU...
How to make?"boxes" : [ {
"box" : {
"maxclass" : "live.button",
"varname" : "live.button[16]",
"patching_rect" : [ 585.363586, 248.181824, 15.0, 15.0 ],
"numinlets" : 1,
"parameter_enable" : 1,
....
Re: transport control templates
cool, we can all help each other get going. I have zero ambition to sell what I make, just share, but I'm just learning. I made a step sequencer a while ago with max but want to start over with m4L.
to get the text select all the objects in your patch, or just the ones you want to post, then edit-copy as compressed in the max window.
sounds like you were able to open the patch, in case you weren't able to, select all that text from the forum then file-new from clipboard.
it's a good idea to copy from others but the saying with max/msp is that there's 8 ways to do everything, now with the Live API there's probably 16 ways to do everything.
good luck!
to get the text select all the objects in your patch, or just the ones you want to post, then edit-copy as compressed in the max window.
sounds like you were able to open the patch, in case you weren't able to, select all that text from the forum then file-new from clipboard.
it's a good idea to copy from others but the saying with max/msp is that there's 8 ways to do everything, now with the Live API there's probably 16 ways to do everything.
good luck!
In my life
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
Re: transport control templates
ahhhhhhhh...ok ok
Do you think when you change the Steplength and Multiplier while the device is running, this babe is still in sync?
using your patch in this way....:
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</code></pre>
Do you think when you change the Steplength and Multiplier while the device is running, this babe is still in sync?
using your patch in this way....:
<pre><code>
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Re: transport control templates
no clue if it's still in sync, just working on the transport. there are ways to force it in sync, I'll burn that bridge when I get to it. send out some midi notes to a Live synth, put on the metronome and have a listen!
the transport starting working again when I re-opened the patch, there's something about the state of the patcher that I'm doing wrong, I think.
the transport starting working again when I re-opened the patch, there's something about the state of the patcher that I'm doing wrong, I think.
In my life
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
Why do I smile
At people who I'd much rather kick in the eye?
-Moz
Re: transport control templates
Me too... All of my desires with max currently exist around the transport and looping functions of live to give it the totally killer edge over traktor....Tone Deft wrote:cool, we can all help each other get going. I have zero ambition to sell what I make, just share, but I'm just learning.
But then last night (my first chance following the saveaschooser crash disapearing with the last update) i started to look at the audio building blocks and something as simple as the different delays had blown me away...
I selfishly hope that the community stays a small but very active body of the people that i've encountered so far... for example do a search in this forum only for RTFM!! (Nada zip!)
and to echo Tone's sentiments Good Luck everyone!!
Cheers
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