Using Live as a DAW: Advice needed

gaspode · Post by **gaspode** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:04 pm

Gravity wrote:But the thing is that the software knows that, because it knows what the beat was when I recorded it. and Live will automatically set warp markers during the recording. It just sets them more and more off...

But only having to manually warp if I decide the tempo is wrong is a workable solution, I'll try recording with the warping off, thanks.

Are you talking about beat markers or warp markers? Any time I have recorded in live it has only set the first warp marker for me. I have never seen it place warp markers in a recording... if you are talking about the beat markers then yes, you can change them to warp markers... but this doesn't sound like what you want to do.

As a suggestion... after recording a take, make dupes of it for intro, chorus, verse etc...

then place your 1st warp marker at the correct start for each section... if you do this without warping everything may line up correctly for you... just a thought.

Greg

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:19 pm

gaspode wrote:Are you talking about beat markers or warp markers? Any time I have recorded in live it has only set the first warp marker for me. I have never seen it place warp markers in a recording... if you are talking about the beat markers then yes, you can change them to warp markers... but this doesn't sound like what you want to do.

Uhm, some confusion in wording here, I don't even know what a beat marker is.

This tutorial: http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=t ... b=tips0504 calls them warp marker. You can in the settings set up if your recordings should be warped or not, by default they are, but maybe that default has changed recently...

As a suggestion... after recording a take, make dupes of it for intro, chorus, verse etc...

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Cheating.

then place your 1st warp marker at the correct start for each section... if you do this without warping everything may line up correctly for you... just a thought.

Thanks, yes, I'll do some testing (hopefully tonight).

sgingras · Post by **sgingras** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:43 pm

This may seem like an obvious answer, but I have had this issue (or something similar to it) before. My problem was with the beginning of the recordings. If you begin recording say, a guitar, and then bring in the bass, remember that when you play a scene in Live all the clips start simultaneously. Even tiny differences in start time will affect the sync of your track.

Don't jump all over me for being incredibly obvious. Often the solution is something incredible obvious yet overlooked.

As per the previous entries, I always record my live audio and keyboard work unwarped and have never had any sync problems.

gaspode · Post by **gaspode** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 2:56 pm

Gravity wrote:
As a suggestion... after recording a take, make dupes of it for intro, chorus, verse etc...

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Cheating.

Ceating? Nonsense I say

Sorry, I meant grid markers... I've had one of those days that you mix up terms between different programs and such and then nobody ends up knowing what you are talking about.... I wasn't trying to be confusing on purpose here... honest

feyshay · Post by **feyshay** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 6:06 pm

OK.
This has been interesting.
Tell me if this would be a suitable way to record a guitar with the hope of being able to change tempo.
Record the guitar into a clip and then that clip into the arrangement.
Edit in the arrangement by chopping the arrangements into pieces (e.g. intro, chorus, verse, solo, chorus...).
Then drag these pieces backs into the session so that they are all individual clips. Remember, we are chopping the guitar into smaller pieces so that there is less distortion of the sound when warping that smaller piece.
Next question:
Let's say you wanted to string back everything into one cohesive song, but now at a quicker tempo. Would there be any discontinuity between clips when playing these clip pieces in session switching between scenes, and then recording that into the arrangement. Would the transitions between clips be smooth enough so that it would sound like a good final product? This would be the way to do it, right? Any other ways?

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:30 pm

Since others here had no problems I decided to make systematic inquire to see if I could get rid of the problem. And I could. The earlier sync problems I have had has been becuase of not setting things up correctly and difficult material (I already knew that) but now that I was pretty sure things were set up correctly I still had problem and begain to despair. Turns out, that the problems only appear when you have external sync.

So, it's a bug, and one that only affected me in this particular instance.

Thanks for the help.

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:03 am

Gravity wrote:Since others here had no problems I decided to make systematic inquire to see if I could get rid of the problem. And I could. The earlier sync problems I have had has been becuase of not setting things up correctly and difficult material (I already knew that) but now that I was pretty sure things were set up correctly I still had problem and begain to despair. Turns out, that the problems only appear when you have external sync.

So, it's a bug, and one that only affected me in this particular instance.

Thanks for the help.

what was your master-sync-clock?
did you report this bug to ableton already?

Olaf

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:15 am

olafmol wrote:what was your master-sync-clock?
did you report this bug to ableton already?

No, I haven't made the bug report yet.

The master is a roland MC-50.

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:34 am

Gravity wrote:
olafmol wrote:what was your master-sync-clock?
did you report this bug to ableton already?
No, I haven't made the bug report yet.

The master is a roland MC-50.

you could try running live as the master clock?

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:38 am

Then the sync wouldn't be external...

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 10:52 am

Gravity wrote:Then the sync wouldn't be external...

i know, but you could slave the MC50 to live, and circumvent the live sync-bug?

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:16 am

In this case, no. Usually, yes. That means that in this case I'll have to warp things manually, and in other cases it won't be a problem.

olafmol · Post by **olafmol** » Thu Mar 03, 2005 11:31 am

Gravity wrote:In this case, no. Usually, yes. That means that in this case I'll have to warp things manually, and in other cases it won't be a problem.

ok...still, Live 4 should be capable to sync to any external masterclock without drifting... ableton should fix this

tommy2000 · Post by **tommy2000** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 6:32 am

Gravity wrote:Since others here had no problems I decided to make systematic inquire to see if I could get rid of the problem. And I could. The earlier sync problems I have had has been becuase of not setting things up correctly and difficult material (I already knew that) but now that I was pretty sure things were set up correctly I still had problem and begain to despair. Turns out, that the problems only appear when you have external sync.

So, it's a bug, and one that only affected me in this particular instance.

Thanks for the help.

I'm curious though...did turning off the warp markers for recording also solve your sync problem?

I record a lot of guitar, and when I first started using Live, warping was always turning on...and when I added more tracks, everything sounded out of sync. But turning off warping...voila, I was golden.

I also don't have a lot of need for tempo changes for the live takes I do. I must be old school.

Tom

Gravity · Post by **Gravity** » Sat Mar 12, 2005 9:09 pm

No, it made no difference for me.

Using Live as a DAW: Advice needed

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