I liked Lady Gaga but thanks to the persuasive and intelligent arguments against her music in this thread and other places on the Internet I am now no longer a fan. I shall now go on youtube and post a "GAY!" comment on every one of her videos.
Thanks Internet!
There will never be another legacy artist
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i agree.. never mind that she writes all her stuff.. she needs to stick to a 4/4 beat and add some random bleeps and blops in the background and use sylenth or zebra for a pumping bass line for that justice sound and create a M4L patch to trigger sidechain autotune on her voice depending on the signal's velocity..beats me wrote:I liked Lady Gaga but thanks to the persuasive and intelligent arguments against her music in this thread and other places on the Internet I am now no longer a fan. I shall now go on youtube and post a "GAY!" comment on every one of her videos.
Thanks Internet!
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LoopStationZebra
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Re: There will never be another legacy artist
What's not to like about Lady Gaga?
1. She's hot.
2. She might just be a man.
3. She's got a pooper from hell.
4. She writes her own stuff.
5. She's freaky and wacky as a motherfucker.
6. She plays piano like a motherfucker.
7. She plays acoustic versions of her songs all the time that are shit fucking hot.
8. She never plays the same song the same way twice. Always mixes it up. Sometimes with a full band. Sometimes with just a laptop.
9. She might just be a man.
10. Comes up with all her own mondo bizarro stage costumes, sets, video crap.
11. She might just be a man.
12. Went to Tisch, which is a pretty decent school.
13. She might just be a man.
Her music is godawful, but I'm still a fan. Big time.
1. She's hot.
2. She might just be a man.
3. She's got a pooper from hell.
4. She writes her own stuff.
5. She's freaky and wacky as a motherfucker.
6. She plays piano like a motherfucker.
7. She plays acoustic versions of her songs all the time that are shit fucking hot.
8. She never plays the same song the same way twice. Always mixes it up. Sometimes with a full band. Sometimes with just a laptop.
9. She might just be a man.
10. Comes up with all her own mondo bizarro stage costumes, sets, video crap.
11. She might just be a man.
12. Went to Tisch, which is a pretty decent school.
13. She might just be a man.
Her music is godawful, but I'm still a fan. Big time.
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Re: There will never be another legacy artist
the rolling stones.beats me wrote:Given today's music industry and fan's short attention span, name one artist, band, or DJ that came out in the last 5 years that will still be packing arenas 30 years from now.
oh wait.
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leedsquietman
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Nathann - how did Kraftwerk suck in the 70s and 80s. They inspired practically everyone who ever made synth music. They made their own electronic drums (none existed before this, or at least not commercially), their own hand built vocoder (only super expensive Roland vocoders as used in tracks like 'I'm Not In Love' by 10cc in big studios existed) and 'Autobahn' is frequently quoted by both early generation synth acts like Gary Numan, Depeche Mode, The Human League, OMD, etc through to more modern stuff acts like Venetian Snares who quote them as an influence.
They sold tons of albums and even had hit singles in Europe, such as The Model which was #1 in the U.K. Most people consider those early albums as their peak, music that had not been heard before, something new - and most people consider their albums from around post 1985 when they were dicking around with remixes a lot and not producing new original sounding music, but just adopting the technology and sounds of the day as their nadir.
http://waveformless.blogspot.com/2009/1 ... -tube.html
Citizenchis I think linked this brilliant BBC Documentary 'Synth Britannia'. Watch at least the first 4 parts of this 10 part youtube clips (around 8-10 mins each) to see how influential Kraftwerk were. Europeans especially know this.
They sold tons of albums and even had hit singles in Europe, such as The Model which was #1 in the U.K. Most people consider those early albums as their peak, music that had not been heard before, something new - and most people consider their albums from around post 1985 when they were dicking around with remixes a lot and not producing new original sounding music, but just adopting the technology and sounds of the day as their nadir.
http://waveformless.blogspot.com/2009/1 ... -tube.html
Citizenchis I think linked this brilliant BBC Documentary 'Synth Britannia'. Watch at least the first 4 parts of this 10 part youtube clips (around 8-10 mins each) to see how influential Kraftwerk were. Europeans especially know this.
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Re: There will never be another legacy artist
People don't want to learn music and want instant gratificiation. This is true, but it's not a new phenomenon.
Think about Punk - mid to late 70s, in a time of world recession and massive unemployment, inflation and unrest. The music was about attitude, the crowd didn't care when they went to see The Sex Pistols, The Damned and The Clash etc. about musicianship, so the songs were mostly 3 chord thrashes with bum notes and questionable ability to stay in time. It was about the attitude and the edginess and inspired a lot of people to take up playing guitar, not having to feel the pressure of having lots of guitar lessons, reading sheet music or being able to play like Jimmy Page etc. Some of these musicians refined their trade with experience, so bands like The Clash and The Stranglers etc were able to evolve their sound over time and outlast most of the early 3 chord punks bands.
It was also a political release for the many poverty stricken, unemployed, or disenfranchised people of the day to flip the bird at the government and establishment. Early synth music too, was accessible, people playing sounds on monosynths or triggering a sequencer with the press of one key made some of the best music. You don't need to be Keith Emerson or Jordan Rudess with all your classical training and flashy playing to make a great sound.
Even in the 90s to present scene of people not playing any instrument but who have an ear for sampling and fitting grooves together (DJs), it's a valid form of creativity and musicality.
Think about Punk - mid to late 70s, in a time of world recession and massive unemployment, inflation and unrest. The music was about attitude, the crowd didn't care when they went to see The Sex Pistols, The Damned and The Clash etc. about musicianship, so the songs were mostly 3 chord thrashes with bum notes and questionable ability to stay in time. It was about the attitude and the edginess and inspired a lot of people to take up playing guitar, not having to feel the pressure of having lots of guitar lessons, reading sheet music or being able to play like Jimmy Page etc. Some of these musicians refined their trade with experience, so bands like The Clash and The Stranglers etc were able to evolve their sound over time and outlast most of the early 3 chord punks bands.
It was also a political release for the many poverty stricken, unemployed, or disenfranchised people of the day to flip the bird at the government and establishment. Early synth music too, was accessible, people playing sounds on monosynths or triggering a sequencer with the press of one key made some of the best music. You don't need to be Keith Emerson or Jordan Rudess with all your classical training and flashy playing to make a great sound.
Even in the 90s to present scene of people not playing any instrument but who have an ear for sampling and fitting grooves together (DJs), it's a valid form of creativity and musicality.
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OvertoneZero
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Re: There will never be another legacy artist
it kind of makes it cooler in a way, the whole vow of poverty thing
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OvertoneZero
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Re: There will never be another legacy artist
like the phoenix of ass kicking guitar playing could rise from the ashes and destroy the world
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Three words "Susan Boyle"
Re: There will never be another legacy artist
Lady Gaga has 2 things working against her.LoopStationZebra wrote:What's not to like about Lady Gaga?
1. She's hot.
2. She might just be a man.
3. She's got a pooper from hell.
4. She writes her own stuff.
5. She's freaky and wacky as a motherfucker.
6. She plays piano like a motherfucker.
7. She plays acoustic versions of her songs all the time that are shit fucking hot.
8. She never plays the same song the same way twice. Always mixes it up. Sometimes with a full band. Sometimes with just a laptop.
9. She might just be a man.
10. Comes up with all her own mondo bizarro stage costumes, sets, video crap.
11. She might just be a man.
12. Went to Tisch, which is a pretty decent school.
13. She might just be a man.
Her music is godawful, but I'm still a fan. Big time.
1. Cheesy lyrics the likes of which the world has never seen.
2. A massive PR machine and media adoration that all free thinking people have hated since Hitler was removed from office.
I listened to the whole album on the way home from work today and concluded that it would make a really great, celebrated, and much needed new Depeche Mode album if you replaced Gaga with Dave Gahan and grimmed up the lyrics a bit.
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going to see them in a week !Big V wrote:I hope Gogol Bordello cause they're a fairly superb live band!beats me wrote:Given today's music industry and fan's short attention span, name one artist, band, or DJ that came out in the last 5 years that will still be packing arenas 30 years from now.
[!!! are as well unbelievable good on stage!]
GREAT BAND ! FUN SHOW !
see...if acts continue to surprise and have good shows and innovate...
there's no reason why they would not make people follow what they do..
in the present there's an adjustment period ...
but I think in the future you will see that most of the changes in the music industry...
it's just changing the 'middle man' that stands between the artist and the fan...
and THERE WILL BE GREAT ARTIST ALWAYS... I have no reason to believe otherwise...
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silveriofunk
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It's silly on a forum that is essentially bleep blop producers (like this one) to try and have an objective discussion.
What about Country? I bet that chick that one that award that the clown put down at that awards thing will be around in 30 years, shes only like 12 or something and them country fans dig their shit for a loooong time.
What about the hippety hoppers?
What about whatever...Got to go asks their forums to for an objective overview.
I don't want any of the people I listen to to be around in 30 years time to be honest.
Silv, hows that crooked vultures album? and, are you at Hidden Away on Wednesday, Dave's asked me to play...but i havent got a set together or any controllers...
What about Country? I bet that chick that one that award that the clown put down at that awards thing will be around in 30 years, shes only like 12 or something and them country fans dig their shit for a loooong time.
What about the hippety hoppers?
What about whatever...Got to go asks their forums to for an objective overview.
I don't want any of the people I listen to to be around in 30 years time to be honest.
Silv, hows that crooked vultures album? and, are you at Hidden Away on Wednesday, Dave's asked me to play...but i havent got a set together or any controllers...
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LoopStationZebra
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Re: There will never be another legacy artist
beats me wrote:Lady Gaga has 2 things working against her.LoopStationZebra wrote:What's not to like about Lady Gaga?
1. She's hot.
2. She might just be a man.
3. She's got a pooper from hell.
4. She writes her own stuff.
5. She's freaky and wacky as a motherfucker.
6. She plays piano like a motherfucker.
7. She plays acoustic versions of her songs all the time that are shit fucking hot.
8. She never plays the same song the same way twice. Always mixes it up. Sometimes with a full band. Sometimes with just a laptop.
9. She might just be a man.
10. Comes up with all her own mondo bizarro stage costumes, sets, video crap.
11. She might just be a man.
12. Went to Tisch, which is a pretty decent school.
13. She might just be a man.
Her music is godawful, but I'm still a fan. Big time.
1. Cheesy lyrics the likes of which the world has never seen.
2. A massive PR machine and media adoration that all free thinking people have hated since Hitler was removed from office.
I listened to the whole album on the way home from work today and concluded that it would make a really great, celebrated, and much needed new Depeche Mode album if you replaced Gaga with Dave Gahan and grimmed up the lyrics a bit.
Cheesy lyrics. Check.
Massive PR machine. Check.
Still.....
She's a welcome relief from all the pasty white dilettante DJs/electronic artists and Disney inspired pop dreck and Bono. So is banging one's head against the edge of a sidewalk whilst whistling Dixie, but then you don't get the added benefit of her Pooper From Hell.
a. She didn't win a reality talent singer show that got her where she is, nor was she a child star on some horrid Disney TV show. Rare nowadays, no?
b. The PR machine didn't kick in from Day One. She built up a following - primarily gay clubs - over a fairly long period. Songwriter first.
c. She's Bi. Hot.
d. She's not shy about citing her influences and freely acknowledging that without them she wouldn't exist. Seems pretty cool in interviews.
*shrug* Dunno. In the vast wasteland that is pop music you could do worse. Much worse. It's cool to hate on her and all. I get that, believe me. Maybe when, in a year or two, she starts blathering on about saving the Rain Forests and how Carbon Credits are cool I'll start to hate on her.
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I'm mostly catering to the Gaga haters with my salty spoon rhetoric. There will always be people who don't like something simply because how they found out about it, who listens to it, how many people listen to it, and they aren't part of a small group of people that are aware of it, especially in circles like this forum.
If they first found Gaga while digging deep on Beatport or Juno they'd probably think they found some real great underground shit. And let's face it, dance music isn't exactly a treasure-trove of deep meaningful lryics.
If they first found Gaga while digging deep on Beatport or Juno they'd probably think they found some real great underground shit. And let's face it, dance music isn't exactly a treasure-trove of deep meaningful lryics.