Fade Bug - First Kick sounds different -SOLVED!-

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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by [nis] » Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:49 pm

mr.ergonomics wrote: But would an option for this in the preferences be an solution (saftey fades on loops on/off or something)? I guess it's not too much work to do it and everyone would be satisfied.
Not much work indeed, but that would be just another button that makes Live more complicated than it needs to be. We are trying to avoid this whenever we can. If we had added all these little functions that people are requesting (even if they make sense), you'd now look at a cluttered user interface with millions of submenus, options, right-click commands, and whatnot. I'm not saying that your suggestion doesn't make sense, but we (and you) should carefully check whether such an option is really needed or not.
mr.ergonomics wrote:I know this "clicking" from cubase and I personally never had a problem with it.
So if you can live with the clicks, how do you go about re-recording your audio in Cubase then? With the clicks? Is re-recording the clicks really any better than the missing transients? The latter can even be avoided by adjusting the loop brace or the start point. If there are no safety fades, as in Cubase, you can't re-record a loop at all without noticeable clicks at any loop repetition. In Live, just move the loop brace a tiny bit away from the transients if they really are affected by the safety fade.
mr.ergonomics wrote: 1. Ok, but why does this happen in live8 and not in live7 (just rechecked it)?
Ok, I have just checked it again and there is really a difference between 7 and 8. Looks like the safety fade is a little too extreme in 8. We have now made some adjustments for the next update (the Live update that is being released together with Max for Live in a few days). Once it is released, could you please check if that works any better?
mr.ergonomics wrote: 2. And why doesn't this happen when I use simpler?
Well, that's a different story. MIDI notes will trigger an envelope in the instrument. This is usually starting off with a perfect zero crossing. No need for a crossfade here.

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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by [nis] » Fri Nov 20, 2009 1:52 pm

Sarrova-Q wrote:I can also here this bug when I play a 4 bar clip loop in session view.
This is so annoying!

audio example: 4 bar kick loop, on the first kick of every measure you can here a crackle noise:
http://www.easy-share.com/1908479784/Kick Loop 4 bars bug.aif

Live 8.0.9
You seem to have a completely different issue. You're getting clicks/pops. This has nothing to do with the fades that we are discussing in this thread. Please create an own thread or send a support request to [email protected] with all relevant information as requested on this site:
http://www.ableton.com/pages/support/co ... al_support

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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by mr.adl » Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:47 pm

[nis] wrote:
mr.ergonomics wrote: 1. Ok, but why does this happen in live8 and not in live7 (just rechecked it)?
Ok, I have just checked it again and there is really a difference between 7 and 8. Looks like the safety fade is a little too extreme in 8. We have now made some adjustments for the next update.
Nico
THANX!!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

So looking forward to this. I really hope the extreme ducking of the first kick is solved that way.

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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by Sarrova-Q » Thu Nov 26, 2009 3:25 pm

[nis] wrote:
Sarrova-Q wrote:I can also here this bug when I play a 4 bar clip loop in session view.
This is so annoying!

audio example: 4 bar kick loop, on the first kick of every measure you can here a crackle noise:
http://www.easy-share.com/1908479784/Kick Loop 4 bars bug.aif

Live 8.0.9
You seem to have a completely different issue. You're getting clicks/pops. This has nothing to do with the fades that we are discussing in this thread. Please create an own thread or send a support request to [email protected] with all relevant information as requested on this site:
http://www.ableton.com/pages/support/co ... al_support

Best,
Nico
Thanks, will do. Sorry I mis-posted.

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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by mr.adl » Thu Nov 26, 2009 4:08 pm

OMG!

Seems this is solved!

Just checked with 8.1 and the first kick sounds just as the other kicks.

A changelog for 8.1 would be great to see if there is really mentioned something about changing the fades in session view, but so far i think they really improved this :D

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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by lars vom mars » Sat Nov 28, 2009 8:31 pm

hi

i have the same problem with 8.05

i made a drum loop with impulse,
recorded it on an audio track
playback...

and got that "faded" bd on the 1..:(

i don t understand this bug because i always thought ,
ableton is meant to be playing loops
or looped samples..
more then a software for complex arrangements.

also i didn´t had the problem with version 5.02


so what to do now..?
do i have to upgrade on the next version of live 8.xxx
and paying for it..?
or this there another suggestion for the version 8.05.

greetz
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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by mr.adl » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:25 pm

@ lars vom mars

Just update to the latest version and try again, i think the problem is fixed with the latest release (8.1).

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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by lars vom mars » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:38 pm

hi

thanx
but do i have to deinstall the version 8.05
then or does the 8.1 installer updates the installed software ?

do i have to pay for that again...
or use the old unlock file of prev. version
?
sorry for the off topic
but i m not so used in this trial and error
/update policy

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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by kleine » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:49 pm

lars vom mars wrote:hi

thanx
but do i have to deinstall the version 8.05
then or does the 8.1 installer updates the installed software ?

do i have to pay for that again...
or use the old unlock file of prev. version
?
sorry for the off topic
but i m not so used in this trial and error
/update policy

greetz
lars

Just download the 8.1 version - it´s a full installer.
-> http://www.ableton.com/latest_versions

Your Live 8 serial will work in case you need to re-authorize.
If there´s a problem, let me know.

Best,
Christian

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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by mr.adl » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:49 pm

Just download and install, you will have both versions: 8.0.5 and 8.1 so you can try the new version and see how it works for you. Oh and it´s a free update. :)

If Version 8.1 works fine for you, you can uninstall the 8.0.5 version.

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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by lars vom mars » Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:55 pm

a right...
thanx

will try it with both versions
and if it work out deinstall 8.05

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Re: Fade Bug still present! (8.0.9) First Kick sounds different

Post by mr.ergonomics » Sun Nov 29, 2009 6:38 am

yeah it seems to be ok in 8.1.

thanks for listening, ableton! really, you guys do it the right way.

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Re: Fade Bug - First Kick sounds different -SOLVED!-

Post by lars vom mars » Sun Nov 29, 2009 5:39 pm

one last question..

i downloaded the version 8.1
and install it to its dest.folder..

i also left my version of 8.05 installed..

now when i try to open live 8.1
it crash during opening operation..
now way to open it....
fair enough

should i deinstall the prev. version..

if so, should i save the pref. folder somewhere?

thanx
lars
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Re: Fade Bug - First Kick sounds different -SOLVED!-

Post by mr.adl » Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:18 pm

lars vom mars wrote:one last question..

i downloaded the version 8.1
and install it to its dest.folder..

i also left my version of 8.05 installed..

now when i try to open live 8.1
it crash during opening operation..
now way to open it....
fair enough

should i deinstall the prev. version..

if so, should i save the pref. folder somewhere?

thanx
lars

Hm, better open your own thread in the support forum about this cause your crashes have nothing to do with the problem described in this thread.

But Live should definitely not crash when you try to open it. 8O

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