How to consolidate without loosing quality of audio?!

[benjamingordon]

Hi.

I have a bunch of acapellas that need some editing (sections cutting out and repeating etc) and i want to do this without having to re-warp the file...

When i take the acapella into the arrange and edit it when i consolidate it makes a new audio file and re-warps it....

This is inevitably going to loose quality as im warping a previously warped track....

Is there any way around this?

Cheers

[guanche]

Not sure, but i would say that if you unwarp it from the clip view the file returns to the original.

[benjamingordon]

Thanks but im not sure if im getting how it helps me?

[Tarekith]

If it's warped properly at the right tempo before you consolidate, just turn off warping in the new file, you don't need it on at all.

[benjamingordon]

Hi Tarekith...

Thats a good bit of advice i think. The only thing is i am wanting to use it at many different tempos after i edit it and consolidate it.... It very frustrating that you cant edit the file whilst warping it in the session view....

Do you agree?

[arachnaut]

I never do warping, but my understanding is that the audio data is not touched by warping at all. The warp markers are just cues to the granular re-synthesizer to speed up or slow down playback to the next marker. If you turn warp off, the granular resynth is off.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[benjamingordon]

Im not sure...

If i warp a file its clear that its not the original... The only real convincing warping is Complex Pro...

If you warp a file, edit it and consolidate it the new file will inevitably be worse quality....

If ableton allowed you to edit warped files in the session view or allowed you to glue audio files rather than having to consolidate them...

Anyone with me?

[arachnaut]

OK, I see what you mean now. If I warp a file, the file does not change, but if I edit the file, the file has to be rendered to determine the time sample at the edit point. This requires a re-synthesis of the file using the current warp.

You should not edit files in warped mode - that constantly re-synthesizes the data.

Edit the originals and warp the final edits.

You could liken this to constantly editing jpeg images - every time you save you get more compression loss.

No matter how sophisticated, warping is a lossy playback mode at anything other than the unwarped BPM.

[Xen Ochren]

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[Xen Ochren]

can you just use complex pro mode, then resample all the files in one pass?

[Tarekith]

Why not just edit them initially without warping on, then consolidate and warp?