sorry for cross posting.
i am trying to figure out if there is an auto-save in ableton live 8.
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if not, why?
jml
Auto-save?
Re: Auto-save?
nop!
why?
why yes?
if you save you cant undo!
do you still want an auto save?
why?
why yes?
if you save you cant undo!
do you still want an auto save?
Re: Auto-save?
i would want to use auto-save for the same reason anyone would.
if the program crashes or you tell it to close the project without meaning to and you've lost your changes, then you can restore to a recently auto-saved backup.
typically, auto-save does not interfere with the current project's saved state and history.
you simply save out various 'backups' as the project goes along.
jml
if the program crashes or you tell it to close the project without meaning to and you've lost your changes, then you can restore to a recently auto-saved backup.
typically, auto-save does not interfere with the current project's saved state and history.
you simply save out various 'backups' as the project goes along.
jml
Re: Auto-save?
If your system crash live will recover your work on the next launch.
there will be a popup dialog asking you if you want to recover.
BUT! it is not working all the times :/
personally i hate all the save/history/etc handling
especially the "no undo after save"!
in all my life im hearing save save SAVE
everybody screaming! use the save often if you want to be safe!
From a music school teacher to a simple online tutorial - save save save!
But in live there is happening something outstanding! if you save you loose all your undo history so there is no way back! (= dont save dont save dont save)
this is the begining of the problem imo ... after that a autosave feature could be ok
*also an undo history should be saved with the project to be available anytime even if you close live.
dreams
there will be a popup dialog asking you if you want to recover.
BUT! it is not working all the times :/
personally i hate all the save/history/etc handling
especially the "no undo after save"!
in all my life im hearing save save SAVE
everybody screaming! use the save often if you want to be safe!
From a music school teacher to a simple online tutorial - save save save!
But in live there is happening something outstanding! if you save you loose all your undo history so there is no way back! (= dont save dont save dont save)
this is the begining of the problem imo ... after that a autosave feature could be ok
*also an undo history should be saved with the project to be available anytime even if you close live.
dreams
Re: Auto-save?
neither of these feature requests are that difficult to implement, and for me it should be a matter of preference by the user.IP wrote:But in live there is happening something outstanding! if you save you loose all your undo history so there is no way back! (= dont save dont save dont save)
this is the begining of the problem imo ... after that a autosave feature could be ok
*also an undo history should be saved with the project to be available anytime even if you close live.
for example, you could check a box that says "save undo history with project". this particular setting might take longer for live to save successfully but would allow for more work to be backed up upon save. this certainly wouldn't prevent the type of error i encountered though (not saving).
another option could also be to check a box that says "enable autosave". in this case i would not think it necessary to backup the history with the auto-save as it's really meant to save your life, rather than your history.
they are two separate issues.
jml
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Re: Auto-save?
Exactly.jayemell wrote:another option could also be to check a box that says "enable autosave"
Re: Auto-save?
I just do "save as" whenever I feel I'm about to f**k things up, (which is quite often).
Still, an undo history would be sweet...
Still, an undo history would be sweet...
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Re: Auto-save?
Guess this hasnt been changed since last post, at least I cant find any indication of it.
You could have "autosave as new name - how many copies: 2" etc, resulting in files called songname.als, songname_01.als and songname_02.als or whatever.
And yes, remembering undo history, at least while in memory, would be great for workflow reasons. If it crashes the undo history would be less important as the autosaves makes it possible to go back a few steps if needed.
You could have "autosave as new name - how many copies: 2" etc, resulting in files called songname.als, songname_01.als and songname_02.als or whatever.
And yes, remembering undo history, at least while in memory, would be great for workflow reasons. If it crashes the undo history would be less important as the autosaves makes it possible to go back a few steps if needed.
Re: Auto-save?
it often hasent recovered anything.. when a recording is hapening the audiofiles are lost..
its not necessary to reset the undo history on any safe.. ableton maybe should change that to allow the people to safe mor often manually.. or even automate safe with a midi to keystroke program...
of cause you can make an autosfe routine yourself with any program with the help of such tools or script bla bla..
just the question if that is too usefull when you loose the undo history,,
in general the best solution is that life just gets as stable gain as it was.. nobody will ask for a autosafe than.
its not necessary to reset the undo history on any safe.. ableton maybe should change that to allow the people to safe mor often manually.. or even automate safe with a midi to keystroke program...
of cause you can make an autosfe routine yourself with any program with the help of such tools or script bla bla..
just the question if that is too usefull when you loose the undo history,,
in general the best solution is that life just gets as stable gain as it was.. nobody will ask for a autosafe than.
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Re: Auto-save?
What IP was saying is that, since Ableton currently loses it's history after saving, if there WERE to be an autosave feature, it would be rather evil....what if you needed to undo something, but Live just happened to Autosave 2 seconds ago? OOooh that would piss me off.
In other words, they'd both need to be introduced together, or atleast Undo After Save first.
I'm giving a big +1 to both of those feature requests, though. A little side-note, Microsoft Office does all three, Work Recovery, Undo After Save, AND Autosave. I don't remember off the top of my head....but can't it undo even after saving and closing your work and re-opening it too? It certainly has extensive version history management. I wish Live had atleast a few of these things.
In other words, they'd both need to be introduced together, or atleast Undo After Save first.
I'm giving a big +1 to both of those feature requests, though. A little side-note, Microsoft Office does all three, Work Recovery, Undo After Save, AND Autosave. I don't remember off the top of my head....but can't it undo even after saving and closing your work and re-opening it too? It certainly has extensive version history management. I wish Live had atleast a few of these things.
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Re: Auto-save?
Instead of "save as", you can simply use "save a copy" so you're project doesnt change the name and there is a copy on the side with a better name.bicarbone wrote:I just do "save as" whenever I feel I'm about to f**k things up, (which is quite often).
Still, an undo history would be sweet...
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Re: Auto-save?
Yes seriously, I don't understand why it works like it is now.
The best would be to have an history of all the things we've done, and being able to go back even after we saved, and even after we closed and turned off the computer !
Then you can add the auto-save and it will be perfect.
I think it works like that in Logic btw...
Hope you're seeing this Ableton !
The best would be to have an history of all the things we've done, and being able to go back even after we saved, and even after we closed and turned off the computer !
Then you can add the auto-save and it will be perfect.
I think it works like that in Logic btw...
Hope you're seeing this Ableton !
Re: Auto-save?
Pyro Z wrote:What IP was saying is that, since Ableton currently loses it's history after saving, if there WERE to be an autosave feature, it would be rather evil....what if you needed to undo something, but Live just happened to Autosave 2 seconds ago? OOooh that would piss me off.
In other words, they'd both need to be introduced together, or atleast Undo After Save first.
I'm giving a big +1 to both of those feature requests, though. A little side-note, Microsoft Office does all three, Work Recovery, Undo After Save, AND Autosave. I don't remember off the top of my head....but can't it undo even after saving and closing your work and re-opening it too? It certainly has extensive version history management. I wish Live had atleast a few of these things.
Exactly!!
Thank you very much for the better explanation and sorry for my poor English !
Re: Auto-save?
No problem.IP wrote:Exactly!!
Thank you very much for the better explanation and sorry for my poor English !
And don't worry, I've seen far worse. It looks more like you just need a cup of coffee or something. 
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Re: Auto-save?
Another problem is that some times projects that were running fine suddenly start to crash when reopened startup. and if youre saving over the old file all the time you might unknowingly "corrupt" your project.
In Cubase (wich i am trying to ween myself off for obvious reasons) a pretty handy keyboard shortcut is "ctrl + alt + s". This saves a new project file with a numerical extention e.g.:
project.cpr
project-1.cpr
project-2.cpr
project-3.cpr
project-4.cpr
...
This is a quick qand easy way to save without overwriting the old version.
wish i could do this in ableton!
In Cubase (wich i am trying to ween myself off for obvious reasons) a pretty handy keyboard shortcut is "ctrl + alt + s". This saves a new project file with a numerical extention e.g.:
project.cpr
project-1.cpr
project-2.cpr
project-3.cpr
project-4.cpr
...
This is a quick qand easy way to save without overwriting the old version.
wish i could do this in ableton!