Samplitude user disses Live as 'shit for mixing in' at GS

[3dot...]

I have a fireface 400.

I can monitor my inputs directly bypassing live. The sound is wide and detailed (highs and lows mainly)

as soon as I route through Live's inputs and monitor the Live's master out the sound gets scooped and the lows get weird with something funky in the mid-lows (100-200Hz maybe?). This is without recording anything. just routing the audio.

If I send each Live's track to a separate track in the fireface busses and mix using RME's total mix software (all tracks at unity gain) the sound gets much better but there's still something about the direct feed that makes it better. this is particularly noticeable in the hi end "air", the width and separation of the sounds and the low end cohesion.

I don't care if you call Stephen Hawkins to deny this. I won't believe him.

Will this stop me from using Live in the near future...probably not, but if something with a similar work flow shows up on the market with better sound quality I'm the first one to switch over.

a/b wavs or stfu...

[freshdrumma]

i know that if i record the left and right master directly on my sound card the sound it's a much better representation of what i had on my monitors compared to the bounce that live does.

i'm on live from version 1.5 and forgot about my protools tdm system from at least 4 years, then i was forced by a client to mix an album on protools and was astonished, it was much more clear and detailed, i guess protools cna handle more track better.

but i'm still using live----

[leedsquietman]

On protools you would have been using their native plugins as opposed to ABleton's, it has a slightly different summing because it's 24 bit / 48 bit fixed as opposed to 32 bit float, you could have had panning laws set up differently and likely you were not using the same audio interface as Digidesign's audio interfaces such as the 002/003 and 96/192 I/O are optimized for Protools and Digidesign's DAC driver often sucks on other DAW systems.

Therefore you can't really compare. Even if you did a mix down on both systems, which you probably didn't have time for, so you're only perceiving in your mind that PT sounds better, probably due in part to it's extra cost, reputation and more than probably on the plugins you ran inside it. The only way to do an even semi-credible test would be to use the same pan law, gain and not use any stock Live or Digi plugins. But the interface issue will still void this. At least with Logic or Cubase or Samplitude you can run the same interface to make that A/B comparison. Digidesign's DAC driver when using other systems with their interfaces cannot compare to ASIO or Core Audio drivers.

[pix]

a/b wavs or stfu...

I couldn't care less about what you may think of this. I'm not here to take any fan boys off course. I mean, if it works for you and you can't tell a difference then fine by me.

But I will record some wavs just for arguments sake.

Tbh, if Live could have the same quality as other daws while still doing all the real time stuff it does it would be an amazing feat.

But I'm not here saying that because Live can't achieve this I don't like using it as a program or I think it's useless. It's fantastic for what it does. But denying the sonic superiority of other software packages is keeping your head on the sand. These are specialized tools with their own sets of strengths and weaknesses...

And I don't think I'm the one under the placebo effect here. I'd *love* not to hear any differences because I use Live as my main DAW. But unfortunately the difference is quite dramatic (in my book) and i get pissed every time I'm reminded of that.

[3dot...]

well... Samplitude can render from marker to marker into seperate wavs...
which I use a lot in editing...
live doesn't have that...
Logic has notation... so does Cubase...
cubase does batch processings/rendering..
and ProToolsLE has no auto latency compensation...
(besides the fact that all have different fx and instruments)
so of course there is a difference... I'm not suggesting otherwise..
but saying there is audio degredation by just routing the audio through...with no processing...
kinda makes no sense...
besides the fact that audio engineers (such as myself) are using it...
(I would not use a tool that degrades my sound for no reason...)
I don't know you ... so although I really want to trust your ears..I can't...
please don't take offense... but I do believe IT IS a Placebo effect..(or some other effect/syndrome)
although you don't care... I challenge you to
prove me wrong..
shouldn't be too hard... do a null test...

[leisuremuffin]

I have a fireface 400.

I can monitor my inputs directly bypassing live. The sound is wide and detailed (highs and lows mainly)

as soon as I route through Live's inputs and monitor the Live's master out the sound gets scooped and the lows get weird with something funky in the mid-lows (100-200Hz maybe?). This is without recording anything. just routing the audio.

If I send each Live's track to a separate track in the fireface busses and mix using RME's total mix software (all tracks at unity gain) the sound gets much better but there's still something about the direct feed that makes it better. this is particularly noticeable in the hi end "air", the width and separation of the sounds and the low end cohesion.

I don't care if you call Stephen Hawkins to deny this. I won't believe him.

Will this stop me from using Live in the near future...probably not, but if something with a similar work flow shows up on the market with better sound quality I'm the first one to switch over.

a/b wavs or stfu...

from my experience with these threads you will get neither wavs or stfu. just a deluge of more obvious horseshit.




.lm.

[Lazos]

you have to use plugins!! did you read the thread!!!!!??

do a mix with 15 tracks or so and use lots of vst's in ableton (the more tracks and plugs the better) and whatever other DAW you are using. once you have like 20 or so vsts running in each DAW, then LISTEN to how they both sound while you're doing it.

i am done with the thread, im hot here to prove anything to anyone. the information is out there if you care to find it

Maybe it sounds like shit because you are building a song with too much stuff going on. "The more tracks and plugs the better" (?) Doesn't sound like very conscientious music making to me IMVHO. Seems kinda like a mess and would sound like shit on any DAW. But then again, I'm just a musician. Sorry guys for perpetuating a fairly silly thread, but I had to say it.

[Tone Deft]

[Tarekith]

Wow, can't believe this thread is still going....

[3phase]

why not doing a poll? without all this useless discussion..

how many live users experiance sound degenerations when doing a projekt with live?
how many not?



I experiance it mostly when importing ready mixes to do dubs or just try to build a folow up ..

once tryed to compile an album in live... that was really a difference to compile an album in logic or prootools..

a huge difference... funny thing.. converting the result into 128 mp´3s made no difference whatsoever...
so great for internet albums... no further degeneration

but that was in live 3....

[henke]

http://www.monolake.de/Monolake_vs_3Pha ... ll_mix.mp3

[SubFunk]

http://www.monolake.de/Monolake_vs_3Pha ... ll_mix.mp3

it's not a PC voice therefor it sounds shit LOL. GAFM mate...

sorry, if it's a hard to get joke

[Tone Deft]

henke uses Pro Tools!!


who doesn't love a nice bomb drop?
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[henke]

my point was slightly more subtile: it took me less than 3 minutes to record the voice into an existing project, apply some edits, move some of the existing parts, added reverb, and bounce the result. 3 minutes of fun and the result sounds okay to me.

robert

[3phase]

http://www.monolake.de/Monolake_vs_3Pha ... ll_mix.mp3

what happend to your voice?

but you see? sounds like an mp3