Novation Automap and Live

[DerekC]

I'm just wondering if anyone can shed some light on the whole issue with Automap and Live? Am I right in thinking it's not properly implemented in Live like with (at this stage) every other DAW? From what I've read Novation say that it's because Ableton won't co-operate with them in implementing it. Is that the case? I thought maybe that was true as at the time I read it Ableton were affiliated only with AKAI so I thought it might have been due to that but now that the LaunchPad is out it seems like Novation and Ableton are working side by side. Can anyone shed light on the situation? I have found some work arounds which work fine but they still don't allow you to use the full functionality of Novation's midi products and software. Will it ever be fully implemented? I also use Logic which now fully utilises the software and I've seen what I'm missing out on by not having it available in Live. I really hope it happens soon.

[daftlover]

Hi-I fully agree ,I bought nocturn and launchpad at the same time.Launchpad is amazing and a joy to use and easy to set up things in user 2 mode.Nocturn is a bit of a disappointment with live.

[The Carpet Cleaner]

YOu cannot use the nocturn for native Logic Pro plug in neither... It's only good for external plug ins.
I personaly use the nocturn for instant/custom mapping whenever I need it. It's also handy to do basic dj things with it.

[glitchrock-buddha]

Ya, the Ableton automapping situation is not so good. It would be amazing if they would work with Novation to get Live to work in automap Universal like the other DAWs, but it seems like they are forcing Novation to have their own special template for Live, which can only use 8 knobs for the Live instruments. I'd like to see it work more like with Logic or Pro Tools. Hopefully one day. I'd love to be able to control operator over the whole range of controls.

[stutter]

well, if you have a nocturn definitely investigate guille's python script for it - fantastic

[fishmonkey]

YOu cannot use the nocturn for native Logic Pro plug in neither... It's only good for external plug ins.
I personaly use the nocturn for instant/custom mapping whenever I need it. It's also handy to do basic dj things with it.

i don't use Logic any more, but from the looks of it the latest Automap update does support native Logic devices:

http://www.novationmusic.com/news/article=35

[delicioso]

Nocturn is a bit of a disappointment with live.

If you haven't used guille's script with Nocturn, you're missing seriously missing out.

[GUY SMILEY]

I was having major problems (due to my mis-understanding) and emailed support.
They are extremely helpful. Really pleasantly surprised at the time and effort they put into getting me to understand it.
Now works really well with launchpad controlling ableton and the remote zero sl for adjusting all the plugins
The issue of them trying to consolidate all DAW's into a single template is for simplifying things really as I understand. As far as I can see doesn't make any difference to the core functionality.. But I could be wrong

[rikhyray]

SL was disappointment when it came out, didnt use it for around a year but than they got it right and SL became my main controller. Used it mainly with classic automap which worked perfectly for me. After getting Launchpad, which is fantsatic, gave back Akai LPD (too cheesy for me) and took Nocturn instead which with above mentioned script is perfect. So now Launchpad+Nocturn are my main controllers for Live but Nocturn is so quick to program that I use it for all kind of applications-audio and video. Now SL is more for playing/controlling synths.
The good thing is that any of the 3 -Launchpad,Nocturn, SL can be used alone as well and do everything- all of them together cover lots of midi tasks without covering too much space..
I am midi controller addict, buy, test, resale what i dont like, had all Akais, Korgs,Faderfoxes, Edirols M audios.... at the moment Novation controllers are the best for me (plus daScratches for Traktor).
Automap can be confusing, probably using manuals (though not insane like those of Faderfoxes) add to confusion but once you get the idea how it works, very quick and easy to set.

[glitchrock-buddha]

The issue of them trying to consolidate all DAW's into a single template is for simplifying things really as I understand. As far as I can see doesn't make any difference to the core functionality.. But I could be wrong

It's also for the benefit of setting it up to control the DAWs internal devices. Often there will be a full mixer page using the whole controller and then switch it over to device control. Although Ableton's template works ok, it does everything on one page, which is a huge pain in the ass. The faders control levels, sends, pans. The top 8 encoders control the selected device. Meanwhile the bottom knobs sit there unused. That's just unmanageable. It should be that there is a mode for the whole thing to be the mixer functions and switch to the whole thing being the selected device control, like other DAWs.

I don't use the ableton template anymore anyways, I just use the APC40 for that and automap for plug-ins.

[DerekC]

Would it be possible to implement full automap control on a Remote SL using Max4Live? I know what Ableton have done in terms of simplifying things but we should really have options for different set ups. It'd be great to have two modes you could switch between like a mixer control where you have control over volume, pans and sends or 8 macros/live effects for example and then a mode for plug ins that runsliek automap on every othter Daw that would give you full customisable control over your plug ins and external synths. Is anyone at Ableton listening to this?