[OT] Man-made global warming : myth or fact?

[stringtapper]

Now why in the world should I question everything all the time? What if I have to have some unprovable assumptions every now and then?

Maybe question why you need them??

[LoopStationZebra]

1)Forced sterilization
2)Mandatory abortion
3)Cannibalism

Drastic mitigation in just a few short years.

Now we're talking.

But can I pretend we're just doing these things for fun instead of trying to change anything?

lol

[ethios4]

Now why in the world should I question everything all the time? What if I have to have some unprovable assumptions every now and then?

Maybe question why you need them??

Dang, 80 beat me to the humor!

There are always unprovable assumptions.

[stringtapper]

Now why in the world should I question everything all the time? What if I have to have some unprovable assumptions every now and then?

Maybe question why you need them??

Dang, 80 beat me to the humor!

There are always unprovable assumptions.

The humor is true though. Even my own statement should be questioned. It would be hypocritical to believe any other way.

Unprovable assumptions are ok with me as a stopgap to working towards understanding, but always with the admission that they are only that.

[Jan Holm]

I am a skeptic - but in no way a right wing creationism moron fanatic.
In fact I'm political center and ahteist. I dont live in the US - but I know
those talk radio lunies mentioned and hate them as much as any normal
broad minded person would. My main reasons for being skeptic.

1 - Anyone using any kind of scare tactics to get money, take my freedoms or
make me a sinner always rings my alarm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVGGgncVq-4

2 - 97% of scientist say global warming is true and caused by Co2.
31.000 have signed a rejection. I would like to see the list of those 97%
http://endofmen.wordpress.com/2008/05/1 ... ypothesis/

3 - Skeptics are being systematically pushed out of the IPCC and
goverment positions. And the IPCC report is a keystone in the making
of climate politics.

4 - Earth has been significantly warmer than it is now. Some species might
dissapear - new ones emerge. Darwin at work. On that note the polar bears
survived the last heatwave.

5 - Did Co2 emissions go down the last 10 years, no. Did the temps, Yes. I
have yet to see real evidence that human made Co2 causes global warming.

The sad thing is that I probably want the same thing as the AGW people. Green
energy, less polution, more education and more help to the developing nations
we have raped for natural resources. I just don't need a scary taxed out Co2
monster to come to this point.

[LoopStationZebra]

I keep seeing crazy numbers like TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SCIENTISTS believe....., lol.

Okay, for the record. The astrophysicists do not get a fucking vote, okay?

Neither do neuroscientists, pharmacologists, immunologists, or political scientists. lol.

That's another thing about modern society. We see the word SCIENTIST and automatically think "Oh. Well. Certainly. By all means. Super intelligent human being that knows way more than me about motherfucking everything so, by all means. Yes. Please. Take my seat on this life raft because you're in the know." When really all that person might specialize in is the study of how mold grows on cow shit.

[8O]

So... how about we see who on the forum is the most qualified to answer the question and let that settle the debate once and for all?

Coincidentally, I have a Master's degree in Environmental Research (Meteorology). Anyone trump that?

[knotkranky]

I am a skeptic - but in no way a right wing creationism moron fanatic.
In fact I'm political center and ahteist. I dont live in the US - but I know
those talk radio lunies mentioned and hate them as much as any normal
broad minded person would. My main reasons for being skeptic.

1 - Anyone using any kind of scare tactics to get money, take my freedoms or
make me a sinner always rings my alarm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVGGgncVq-4

2 - 97% of scientist say global warming is true and caused by Co2.
31.000 have signed a rejection. I would like to see the list of those 97%
http://endofmen.wordpress.com/2008/05/1 ... ypothesis/

3 - Skeptics are being systematically pushed out of the IPCC and
goverment positions. And the IPCC report is a keystone in the making
of climate politics.

4 - Earth has been significantly warmer than it is now. Some species might
dissapear - new ones emerge. Darwin at work. On that note the polar bears
survived the last heatwave.

5 - Did Co2 emissions go down the last 10 years, no. Did the temps, Yes. I
have yet to see real evidence that human made Co2 causes global warming.

The sad thing is that I probably want the same thing as the AGW people. Green
energy, less polution, more education and more help to the developing nations
we have raped for natural resources. I just don't need a scary taxed out Co2
monster to come to this point.

Its not up to those you don't trust to convince you, it's up to those you do trust.

Where is your science that says otherwise? And where is the list of the 3% who didn't sign?

I bet more clarity for you is there. Until then, lower your carbon footprint as much as you can. Right?

[Jan Holm]

Its not up to those you don't trust to convince you, it's up to those you do trust.

I think I'll go with George Carlin then. He came through
on a couple of other questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

[LoopStationZebra]

Its not up to those you don't trust to convince you, it's up to those you do trust.

I think I'll go with George Carlin then. He came through
on a couple of other questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

lol.

"These white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world save for their Volvos."

"The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" Plastic...asshole."

[stringtapper]

Its not up to those you don't trust to convince you, it's up to those you do trust.

I think I'll go with George Carlin then. He came through
on a couple of other questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw

lol.

"These white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world save for their Volvos."

Always my favorite. He was a political thinker after my own heart. Never let the conservatives or the liberals get away with any stupid shit.

[LoopStationZebra]

Never let the conservatives or the liberals get away with any stupid shit.

Exactly.

[WaveRider]

...well I used to think it was true but now I know it's a scam!

the propaganda is so strong I would not even discuss it

...but I still remember global cooling from the 70s

[H20nly]

The sad thing is that I probably want the same thing as the AGW people. Green
energy, less polution, more education and more help to the developing nations
we have raped for natural resources. I just don't need a scary taxed out Co2
monster to come to this point.

+1

That's another thing about modern society. We see the word SCIENTIST and automatically think "Oh. Well. Certainly. By all means. Super intelligent human being that knows way more than me about motherfucking everything so, by all means. Yes. Please. Take my seat on this life raft because you're in the know." When really all that person might specialize in is the study of how mold grows on cow shit.

"The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed, and if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new pardigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice towards plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" Plastic...asshole."

I think George Carlin and Chris Rock should have sat down together and crafted the document that would take the United States into the next 200 year stint.

[ethios4]

"Man is always and everywhere a blight on the landscape" - John Muir, the founder of the Sierra Club,

Paul Watson, the founder of Greenpeace, had the "impression that instead of going out to shoot birds, [he] should go out and shoot the kids who shoot birds"?

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about" - Maurice Strong, the head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janiero

Taken from US Chamber of Commerce website
http://www.uschamber.com/issues/index/e ... enbook.htm