[OT] Man-made global warming : myth or fact?

[adventurepants_]

How many of you dumb-fucks believe Copenhagen is part of this vast conspiracy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... mists.html

If his data managed to overturn the data of thousands of other scientists then he would be in Copenhagen, and then win the Nobel Prize. This is science working as intended.

I love how the bar for evidence is placed way higher for science than they do for journalists, talk back radio hosts, politicians and anyone else with an opinion on global warming. Yet out of this group, scientists are the only ones that have provided ongoing clear tangible benefits to our day to day lives.

Im not saying we should trust scientists blindly without questioning their evidence. Scientists themselves are the greatest dissenters. All anyone has to do to overturn AGW is to provide a better model for the recorded data. So far, no one has done that, so AGW stands, just like gravity and evolution, two other "not %100 proven" models.

There are plenty of other explanations of gravity from credentialled and brilliant scientists, yet the accepted explanation is good enough to fling spacecraft around the solar system with great accuracy.

edit: geez why did I even bother with that. Its an article in the Telegraph, a right wing rag that has about as much interest in the truth as the Daily Mirror.

[knotkranky]

Yeah, but these boneheads are saying it's a myth because of the reasons they've sited.

Pretty ignorant shit. wow

[H20nly]

c'mon guys. I mean, lets be serious... the earth was created in exactly 7 days (168 hours).... how long could it possibly take to clean up a little poot?

[knotkranky]

LSZ, WR, sorry, lots of beers lookin for a fight. I'm part hippie FFS My apologies fellas.

Anyway, in my day we called it pollution. We woulda killed or streaked for lower emissions.

keep on truckin

[Jan Holm]

All anyone has to do to overturn AGW is to provide a better model for the recorded data. So far, no one has done that, so AGW stands, just like gravity and evolution, two other "not %100 proven" models.

It seems it has been pretty hard for scientists "not in the loop" to get
those data. Partly because CRU won't share and partly because they deleted
raw data.

Evolution is more proven than any religion - still 90% believe and pay
taxes for it. A lot of those who pay (at least in Denmark) do so because
of tradition and "just in case"

[adventurepants_]

All anyone has to do to overturn AGW is to provide a better model for the recorded data. So far, no one has done that, so AGW stands, just like gravity and evolution, two other "not %100 proven" models.

It seems it has been pretty hard for scientists "not in the loop" to get
those data. Partly because CRU won't share and partly because they deleted
raw data.

Evolution is more proven than any religion - still 90% believe and pay
taxes for it. A lot of those who pay (at least in Denmark) do so because
of tradition and "just in case"

I dont doubt there are some fuckwit scientists who are trying to feather their own nests. But for all of the data and analysis leading to the AGW consensus to be some sort of conspiracy against the truth would go against what the vast majority of scientists strive for every day of their working lives. I just dont buy it.

And I dont see the downsides to trying to slow warming and develop base load renewable energy. All of our governments waste way more on unnecesary military spending than the amount of dollars being discussed at Copenhagen. America is trying to find several hundred billion to provide universal health care, when they just gave Wall St trillions of dollars to shove up their noses. We are talking about small amounts in the scheme of things to bring CC under control.

[ethios4]

Scientists created this problem in the first place with their fancy chemical processes that lead to pollution. Fuckers.

[Emissary]

I think we all need to put climate change into context here. Records have been kept for something like 160 years i think. Thats an incredibly small amount of time in the grand scheme of things. Personally I am looking forward to temperatures going up so i can grow vineyards here in the northern parts of the UK like the romans did thousands of years ago. I wonder what caused global warming back then?

[LoopStationZebra]

LSZ, WR, sorry, lots of beers lookin for a fight. I'm part hippie FFS My apologies fellas.

Anyway, in my day we called it pollution. We woulda killed or streaked for lower emissions.

keep on truckin

lol, no worries man. For the record I do believe that man is contributing to global warming. The anti establishment / anti authority (right or left) troll in me, however, has me questioning the extent of our contribution and the severity of the danger. That doesn't mean that I believe we should do nothing.

I don't care if 50,000 scientists + Jesus Christ himself wants to cry DANGER WARNING! Just because a particular cause is labeled as 'good', doesn't mean there isn't a fuck of a lot of bandwagon jumping, hype, uber political manuevering, and profit hawking.

If even half of the proposed laws/sanctions are put in place, there are certain segments of the scientific, political, and corporate community who will absolutely make out like bandits. The Carbon Credit system is an excellent example of this. It's a reprehensible solution, and one championed by the annointed leaders of the movement.

One also cannot simply ignore the enormous negative economic impact that these new sanctions/laws will have on the global economy. My God. It's literally never discussed on the Global Warming side; other than the notion that the US and other Western Countries need to immediately start to give 3rd world nations a heap of money in exchange for the damage we've caused. What's going to happen is simple and undeniable and I don't need 50,000 scientists or economists to prove it to me:

If Cap & Trade or reparations or whatever mean that more jobs are lost in this country, Obama will be voted out tootsweet in 3 years and we will get a Republican who will simply roll back everything and pull us out of any worldwide treaty. Case closed.

[ethios4]

The economic aspect is very worrying to me as well. Among global warming advocates there seems to be a general attitude of 'fuck the corporations' and 'who cares if the economy takes a hit, its worth it for the planet'. I agree with the sentiment, but to me it demonstrates a grossly oversimplified view of how the world works, and I don't mean that in a 'money is what really matters' kind of way. There's a lot we take for granted in our cozy economically robust world.

[LoopStationZebra]

The economic aspect is very worrying to me as well. Among global warming advocates there seems to be a general attitude of 'fuck the corporations' and 'who cares if the economy takes a hit, its worth it for the planet'. I agree with the sentiment, but to me it demonstrates a grossly oversimplified view of how the world works, and I don't mean that in a 'money is what really matters' kind of way. There's a lot we take for granted in our cozy economically robust world.

That's right. The Wooly Sweater crowd can be just as short sighted as the deniers and do nothings.

ffs. A significant number of Americans are already freaked out over proposed health care changes. The economy, regardless of rubbish reports for November, is still firmly in the shitter. Now their President is heading over to Copenhagen where the perception is that he'll be doing God Knows What that equals more taxes and a higher deficit. Oh, and shrinking approval ratings on top of that. I'm telling ya, it'll all shape up to a perfect storm for the Republicans. First in new congressional seats, then 2012.

President Obama, we hardly knew ye.

[WaveRider]

How many of you dumb-fucks believe Copenhagen is part of this vast conspiracy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... mists.html

If his data managed to overturn the data of thousands of other scientists then he would be in Copenhagen, and then win the Nobel Prize.

your blind faith is hilarious

in all areas "terrain" scientist do not find out what the "computer modeling" scientist are predicting

so look at things for what they are, or extrapolate castastrophic events from computer models (and get grant money at the same time)

[ethios4]

I'm telling ya, it'll all shape up to a perfect storm for the Republicans. First in new congressional seats, then 2012.

Hopefully they'll stick to backing Palin and we'll be safe for another 4 years at least. I don't even want to think about that.

[LoopStationZebra]

There's an element of this whole Global Warming issue that is so unbelievably fucking retarded that it just boggles the mind.

There's something that can be done RIGHT FUCKING NOW. Fuck Carbon Credits. Fuck Reparations. Fuck Cap & Trade. Fuck it all, really. Because, well, the United States refuses to take the most obvious step in reducing Greenhouse Gases. Here's a news headline that we should all be seeing:


PRESIDENT OBAMA ANNOUNCES A BOLD, COMPREHENSIVE NUCLEAR POWER PROGRAM FOR THE UNITED STATES

There it is. Right there in black and white. There's absolutely NOTHING else that can be done right now that would have a more drastic impact on reducing greenhouse gases WITHOUT affecting the economy whatsoever. In fact, it would create a job boom in this country the likes of which probably hasn't been seen since WWII. Yet, it's not even on the radar. It merely gets a mention during a worthless stump speech. Amazing. Criminal, actually.

Europe has embraced nuclear power. The French have rewritten the book on it's technology and drastically reducing the danger of spent fuel rods and accidents. It's no wonder the Europeans are so smug on the global warming issue. They've been getting 90% of their power from nuclear facilities for the past 30 years, lol. ffs. While we in the States do nothing. Even conservative estimates say we could have dozens of new reactors online within 5 to 10 years.

But it's not happening. The anti nuke wooly sweater crowd is partly to blame. The oil, gas, and coal special interests are MOSTLY to blame. It all reminds me of 'Who Killed the Electric Car'. The Obama Administration has their heads as firmly up the arses of the dirty energy special interests as the Bush Administration did. And the Clinton Admin before that. And the Bush admin before that. And the Reagan Admin before that.

We can babble all day about impending doom and Fox News and gardens in the backyard and overwhelming evidence. But until the United States is ready to take this basic step - one that the rest of the Western World has already taken ffs - it's all just pissing in the wind.

Carbon Credits and Copenhagen. Fuck you.

[WaveRider]

Well when they are saying that temp got warmer, for exemple they say "it is 0.6 deg celcius" warmer it is entierely false... cause every scientific mesurement has a margin of error... so they should say "it is 0.6 deg celcius warmer +- 2 degrees" witch MEANS NOTHING at all!!!!!

so you guys warmist, what is the margin of error of your mesurements?

...I know... you don't care!


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