[OT] Man-made global warming : myth or fact?

[WaveRider]

Ya see right there. A couple hacked emails of an individual

no that was 160megs of data, 10 years worth of emails between a lot of scientist... it's not like they say on tv... lol: ..and they destroyed data requested by fact checkers. They should have given the data under the freedom of information act. But they prefered to erase it so they do not get double checked

gets your facts right (that means not on the tv)

I find it very amusing that you cite articles in the Telegraph, and then talk about getting facts straight. Youre good for a laugh, Ill say that.

But this is the Abe forum after all, so troll on!

Climate change data dumped
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/e ... 936328.ece

160 megabytes of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia (UEA)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... l-cooling/

[WaveRider]

that it is the best explanation for the data so far, and that it would be prudent to act on that basis. Out of all the stupid wasteful stuff we spend money on, it seems like a no brainer.

do you realize what you are saying? you make a moral judgment not an informed decision here

another good one about temps data being manipulated in New Zeland
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/u ... more-13215


anyway I am being insulted here and posted tons of good info without a meaningful reply so I am out of here

[adventurepants_]

Sure these scientists may have fudged data, and may be obsfucating their methods for reasons unknown. There are investigations going on at East Anglia, and I believe Phil Jones has stepped aside while the investigation is ongoing. There are absolutely vested interests on both sides of this debate.

You provided a link to Prof Carters page, who has been cited in the past for also not being transparent with his data, and for doing climate research for groups with vested interests.

But are you really trying to say that because some scientists may have fudged some data, that it immediately invalidates tens of thousands of peer reviewed papers done by tens of thousands of scientists? Ive seen no evidence that you can extrapolate Climategate to the wider scientific community.

Heres some links on the scientfic communities reaction. Including such radical leftist greenies as the American Meterological Society.

http://www.ametsoc.org/policy/climatechangeclarify.html

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v4 ... 2545a.html

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... n-nonsense

[adventurepants_]

that it is the best explanation for the data so far, and that it would be prudent to act on that basis. Out of all the stupid wasteful stuff we spend money on, it seems like a no brainer.

do you realize what you are saying? you make a moral judgment not an informed decision here

another good one about temps data being manipulated in New Zeland
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/25/u ... more-13215


anyway I am being insulted here and posted tons of good info without a meaningful reply so I am out of here

Im not making a moral judgement about AGW any more than Im making a moral judgement to believe in the theory of Gravity. Both are unproven, but both fit the recorded observations.

[H20nly]

...the lack of pirates fits the data as well and I for one think that the decline in pirates is directly responsible for climate change.

[LoopStationZebra]

Arrrr!

[knotkranky]

[deva]

I don't see copenhagen as the answer, but it's about as good as world cooperations get.

Nah. It's pure fluff, showbiz, and window dressing. What? None of these douchebags have email?

Rajendra Pachauri:
"Hi Barrack, it's Raj. How's about reducing your emissions a tad?"

Barrack:
"Yeah, cool Rajendra. Consider it done. Hey, did you catch the season finale of Curb Your Enthusiasm?"

lol

you don't get to make speeches, fly around the world and strut your ego that... That would be sensible, and nobody in positions of power is ever that...

[deva]

Ya see right there. A couple hacked emails of an individual

no that was 160megs of data, 10 years worth of emails between a lot of scientists... ....and they destroyed data requested by fact checkers. They should have given the data under the freedom of information act. But they prefered to erase it so they do not get double checked

gets your facts right (that means not on the tv)

go ahead and demonstrate that what you are saying is so. You are just regurgitating the conspiracy whackos rhetoric and lies.

[deva]

But this is the Abe forum after all, so troll on!

Troll on? Hmm. Differing opinion = troll. Aha. It's the Ableton forum. Forgot. Sorry. Carry on.

I mean, the title of the thread doesn't say "Global Warming is Man Made and all who agree please post here"

Sure, post away, but opinions are worthless. The data for man made warming is overwhelming and you and anyone else can form whatever whack opinions you want. It will not change what is so one iota. The conspiracy deniers are so invested in their position that it does not matter that they have no evidence to support their position or that there is such a wide body of evidence in support of human induced warming. Doesn't matter. Once the mind is determined to believe something then it makes perfect sense that thousands of climate scientists around the world are secretly working together in a vast and coordinated conspiracy. Sorry, but that is called mental illness.

[crumhorn]

...the lack of pirates fits the data as well and I for one think that the decline in pirates is directly responsible for climate change.

Not the pirates again, please!

Burning fossil fuels liberates CO2 - undeniable fact!
Industrial Society based on burning fossil fuels increases wealth - Also fact!
Increased Wealth leads to reduced incidence of piracy - probably

So there is a reasonable explanation for the correlation.

[H20nly]

...the lack of pirates fits the data as well and I for one think that the decline in pirates is directly responsible for climate change.

Not the pirates again, please!

Burning fossil fuels liberates CO2 - undeniable fact!
Industrial Society based on burning fossil fuels increases wealth - Also fact!
Increased Wealth leads to reduced incidence of piracy - probably

So there is a reasonable explanation for the correlation.

What if the wealth was increased by piracy?

What if the pirates traded in their ships for limos, private jets and skyscrapers and instead of the usual jolly roger garb (as pictured tastily above by knotkranky) they've replaced it with business suits?

[djgroovy]

I haven't read all the thread and don't really want to get into an Internet discussion about this, just wanted to share a documentary i've enjoyed the most that speaks of these issues. It's called Home, shows the most amazing images of our planet, talks about our energy management, global warming and sustainability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU

[OvertoneZero]

What if the pirates traded in their ships for limos, private jets and skyscrapers and instead of the usual jolly roger garb (as pictured tastily above by knotkranky) they've replaced it with business suits?

Why, we'd have... what we have!

[crumhorn]

What if the wealth was increased by piracy?

What if the pirates traded in their ships for limos, private jets and skyscrapers and instead of the usual jolly roger garb (as pictured tastily above by knotkranky) they've replaced it with business suits?

Fair Points (also @knotkranky)