Man made Global Warming is not taking place

[H20nly]

Hmm - a though for prisons - give them large caged hampster wheels with dynamos instead of cells - make sure the power operates essential services (water, light, heat etc) - dont keep you wheel turning - you get nothing

The only problem with that idea is that when the local government decides they need more power the arrest rates go up. All of a sudden half the 16-25 year olds are in prison for things like seeds and nickel bags and a bunch of men are in for domestic violence because they slammed the door too hard and yelled too loudly. Don't even get them started on "alcohol related"...

[julienb]

off topic...

[Landser]

A very simple consideration immediately shows, what's really going on:

They claim, that the ever increasing amount of burned fossile energy is the reason for the climate change. If we accept that, what is the next unavoidable question?

What is the reason, why we always burn more, use more, waste more?

And the next question?
Why do we need ECONOMIC GROWTH?

So ask yourself this question: do the perpetrators of the climate change ever talk about the FACT, that the money-system we have, is the reason, that we NEED an exponential economic growth, otherwise the economic system collapses?

Has Al Gore and all the other propagandists ever talked about that reason behind the forced exponential growth? Have they ever talked about money as debt and that it are the interests on debt, that are the reason for the exponential plundering of mother earth? No, they don't because that is the REAL BANKING SECRET: all money that exists in the West, is debt. And debt forces interests to be payed. These interests are the reason, why we need exponential growth.

Ask yourself: Why don't they talk about this reason, IF they want to rescue anything?

Congratulations, now you've understood, that it is a monstrous swindle!
A swindle from the same international forces of high finance, that have established a monetary system worldwide (with many wars), that HAS TO lead to exponential waste of ressources.

And nowadays they have really managed it with their mass media and the incedibly stupid and cheap journalists, to get even support from the stupid masses, for their next step torwards their World Government, the same masses, that will pay for it: PLEASE LET US PAY FOR THE AIR WE BREATH!
The whole CO2-trading is nothing more than a money-printing scheme for the international high finance.

And the stupid masses don't see, that it is the MONEY AS DEBT, that is the KEY FACTOR of producing and wasting more and more. Things that nobody really needs, behaviours that don't make people happy. Consume, consume, consume. And to help you to understand, that you need it, you the "free citizen", a huge advertising industry 24/7 washes your and your childrens brains all the time, to make you believe, you need it. The new car. The new TV. The new jeans. The new computer.

What they are doing is a REAL crime against humanity. IMO all those climate propagandists, not matter if politicians, "scientists" or banksters, deserve nothing less than the DEATH PENALTY.

[Emissary]

A very simple consideration immediately shows, what's really going on:

They claim, that the ever increasing amount of burned fossile energy is the reason for the climate change. If we accept that, what is the next unavoidable question?

What is the reason, why we always burn more, use more, waste more?

And the next question?
Why do we need ECONOMIC GROWTH?

So ask yourself this question: do the perpetrators of the climate change ever talk about the FACT, that the money-system we have, is the reason, that we NEED an exponential economic growth, otherwise the economic system collapses?

Has Al Gore and all the other propagandists ever talked about that reason behind the forced exponential growth? Have they ever talked about money as debt and that it are the interests on debt, that are the reason for the exponential plundering of mother earth? No, they don't because that is the REAL BANKING SECRET: all money that exists in the West, is debt. And debt forces interests to be payed. These interests are the reason, why we need exponential growth.

Ask yourself: Why don't they talk about this reason, IF they want to rescue anything?

Congratulations, now you've understood, that it is a monstrous swindle!
A swindle from the same international forces of high finance, that have established a monetary system worldwide (with many wars), that HAS TO lead to exponential waste of ressources.

And nowadays they have really managed it with their mass media and the incedibly stupid and cheap journalists, to get even support from the stupid masses, for their next step torwards their World Government, the same masses, that will pay for it: PLEASE LET US PAY FOR THE AIR WE BREATH!
The whole CO2-trading is nothing more than a money-printing scheme for the international high finance.

And the stupid masses don't see, that it is the MONEY AS DEBT, that is the KEY FACTOR of producing and wasting more and more. Things that nobody really needs, behaviours that don't make people happy. Consume, consume, consume. And to help you to understand, that you need it, you the "free citizen", a huge advertising industry 24/7 washes your and your childrens brains all the time, to make you believe, you need it. The new car. The new TV. The new jeans. The new computer.

What they are doing is a REAL crime against humanity. IMO all those climate propagandists, not matter if politicians, "scientists" or banksters, deserve nothing less than the DEATH PENALTY.

excellent post, if a little elitist

[H20nly]

^ well you could stop using money right away. Then you could spearhead the organization for not using money.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but how do you fix it? No one is going to start frying politrikcians and bankers...

[H20nly]

off topic...

who the hell are you? the I can't conceive nestled ideas or side conversations forum moderator?

here take two of these...

[Landser]

^ well you could stop using money right away. Then you could spearhead the organization for not using money.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but how do you fix it? No one is going to start frying politrikcians and bankers...

It's not about banning money!
It's about how the money is constructed!

Isn't it interesting, that despite 100s of TV-stations, around 90% of the Americans don't even know, that the FED, the Federal Reserve Bank, is NOT a public bank, but a bank of private banksters?
The people don't even know, that the state, lends money from the FED and has to pay interests for that money. And where does the money from the FED come from?
They print it!

Isn't that a cool system? You are allowed to print money and lend it to the state and the state has to pay interests to you for that.
And the Americans have no clue about that, and the feel free and well informed!

MONEY AS DEBT is the reason for exponential growth and there are other possibilities to construct money (this, btw, has nothing to do with Communism!).

People, pay attention to the money system. It decides about freedom or slavery. Everything else is just theatre.

Search on Youtube for Money as debt. There are good sites on the net. Inform other people, about this scam.

[Nicknackerski]

Ok, please explain the exact connection between Hydrocarbons i.e oil and lack of food.
I'm guessing hydrocarbons are massively used to replace lost nutrients in top soil?
Please educate me.
without insults please.

OK dude, sorry if i offended, been a long day of fixing computers. have a read of this article i think it sums up the situation far better than i ever could

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... g_oil.html

anyway time for that shower.

Thats a very interesting read Emissary. Thanks.
I did a little googling/reading and found this if you're interested:

http://richardheinberg.live.postcarbon. ... letter/188

It mentions Cuba as the first Nation to be subjected to peak oil due to the Soviet Union collapsing in the 1990's.

And more here:
http://www.powerofcommunity.org/cm/inde ... &Itemid=49

[Emissary]

Ok, please explain the exact connection between Hydrocarbons i.e oil and lack of food.
I'm guessing hydrocarbons are massively used to replace lost nutrients in top soil?
Please educate me.
without insults please.

OK dude, sorry if i offended, been a long day of fixing computers. have a read of this article i think it sums up the situation far better than i ever could

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/w ... g_oil.html

anyway time for that shower.

Thats a very interesting read Emissary. Thanks.
I did a little googling/reading and found this if you're interested:

http://richardheinberg.live.postcarbon. ... letter/188

It mentions Cuba as the first Nation to be subjected to peak oil due to the Soviet Union collapsing in the 1990's.

And more here:
http://www.powerofcommunity.org/cm/inde ... &Itemid=49

Great links mate. Reading that first one it mentions the truckers strike in 2000 here in the UK, funnily enough that entire movement was started in my very own small market town here in North Wales and then spread out through the UK. Shows you how much difference even a small insignificant town can make (not necessarily in a good way in that case) I think thats where my awareness on the subject actually came from.

[ethios4]

@ Landser - good points. One of the reasons given for switching to a fiat currency is the need for an 'elastic' currency to fuel unrestrained growth. I always wonder a bit about Money as Debt (the video)...it seems a little oversimplified, but I've never read a strong critique of it's presentation.

[OvertoneZero]

they're pimping us out like their little bitches eh

[deva]

My city in Indiana was once a tropical sea, then a frozen tundra and now very temperate. The earth will cool and heat and mankind can do very little to affect it either way.

The people pushing hardest for anti-man, anti-reason, anti-achievement, anti-freedom "Global Warming" politics are the Marxists of the 1920's, the beatniks, the hippies, the labor parties and now the green parties. It is always a group of leftists pushing for an anti-industrial revolution where mankind is under a bootheel.

+1

and I see no warmist can reply to "fuel crops" causing millions to die of hunger


you are indeed the new nazis, the ecolofacists

geez... what original thinking

Maybe you should drop this dichotomous us vs them mentality. Right wing radio talk show hosts make their living promoting this bullshit us and them crap. Most of the people I know who are 'ecofascists' (hehehe) are opposed to planting fuel crops, and have no interest to tell you what to do.

Classic divide and conquer. Get people identified with 1 of 2 dichotomous positions and keep them hating each other while they all get screwed.

[deva]

Ok,
I understand, (i'm not trying to be pedantic or arrogant, i just want to put across my opinion)

Put aside the food problem.
If scientists (there are more then one of them BTW!!!) were able to provide an alternative solution for example:
Hydrogen from water (H20) split with electricity via new more efficient Nuke Reactors (as in generating a huge energy source from a smaller one)
Earth is 70% water and a huge energy source. Uranium can be used to make Hydrogen meaning Uranium sources last longer than if it were used to produced electricity for the national grid.

Its a pretty decent short term solution do you not think? (as in short tern until a replacement for Nuclear is substituted into the recipe)

or

The CERN experiment reveals Anti - Matter which can then be used as a substantial energy source.
I find his pretty amazing do you not agree?

My initial argument in your other thread was about pollution, over-packaging from large powerful corporations like supermarkets and over-population of the planet bringing about this:

http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/wilder ... alypse-now

i think this is more substantial in concern than the running out of a particular Element of source of energy. I think this because as long as money is the motive for preventing change we'll just use more and more resources until the place is a fucking mess!!!!
(Large companies simply refuse to take on any environmental policies that drastically reduce profit margin or make their product look cheap i.e. packaging in relation to other companies)
Peace

nuclear reactors also require huge amounts of infrastructure. they cannot exist (at this time) outside the hydrocarbon economy.

[stringtapper]

Classic divide and conquer. Get people identified with 1 of 2 dichotomous positions and keep them hating each other while they all get screwed.

Which is why I make it easy on myself by identifying with neither and hating both equally.

[ethios4]

Just figured out that I can have 100% wind powered electricity for $5 extra a month!

Ableton thread leads to action!