Thinking about making the change to mac....

[3phase]

Just one quick comment: usually Apple is very expensive for RAM, if you want to save money, get the minimum RAM delivered with the machine and then buy additional RAM from 3rd party stores...

but make sure thats apple related 3rd party stores that cnn assure that the rams work or dont go for the cheapest or rams you can get ... there is a tendency that apples dont like strange products

[Baron von Case]

Don't think, just do.

[3phase]

For the price you would spend on that mac, you should just build a much superior dedicated audio PC.

there is somethig true about the time the machies last..

allwirght ..all the old apples cant exchange theire mainboards..so they are hopless slow...

but sofar i had only a mac IIfx that died... but the mac plus is still alive..the quadra is sold..the power pc bla bla is still alive.. the titanium has some display problems but still works and is actually in use as a multitrack recorder...

thanks god teh development of computers is so quick that apple never daraed to produce die earlie machines like some car manufaktors do...


and in the pc world part suppliers stay allmost anonymus... ho wong industries can maybe afford to produce a grafic card that only lasts 2 years because by that time the are called hing may enterprises...

[McQ714]

are you people really that ignorant and stupid that you don't realize Macs ARE PCs that run OS X instead of Windows? what part of a Mac is different from a PC? the main board!!! that's it. what makes it different? the fact that it is, instead of being 1-piece, multiple pieces.

other than that.... CPU is the same. same RAM can be purchased. video card is no different. a DVD drive is a DVD drive. ahhh, the case! it's ugly and has no airflow due to the poor interior layout and all of these separate compartments. can someone tell me the average idle temperature of the CPU of a mac pro?

[Jacqueslacouth]

On a PC you change broken parts yourself, try that on an iMac...

I replaced a fucked up superdrive on my iMac.....Absolute fucking nightmare, prying the case apart, peeling off Aluminium sticky tape, uncountable screws to remove and then three months later the replacement died.

I won't go on about the unearthly noise of the 7200rpm HDD in my MBP as it seems to have settled down, nor the random lights display with the backlit keyboard.

Look, not trying to turn you off, or to dis Macs before the fan boys get their panties tied in a knot (we have three macs in our household). They have s generally pretty solid OS which is certainly more stable than Windows (in MY past experience).

Usually they do just work, but not always and when they don't play, they are a lot more difficult to fix up yourself.

[3phase]

fan boys? isnt it rather fanboy like to live with a computer regardless of bad bad timing, virusses and and unstable os that you should reinstall every year to keep it smooth?

what are the advatages of windows pc´s for musicans? except that they might be cheaper..?

but this is only true for low end machines... highend pc´s are usually the same or even more expensiv than apples..

ther are pc laptops out there that go well above 5000.- euros ... some special models even more...

[Jacqueslacouth]

isnt it rather fanboy like to live with a computer regardless of bad bad timing, virusses and and unstable os that you should reinstall every year to keep it smooth?

what are the advatages of windows pc´s for musicans? except that they might be cheaper..?

And many, many musos don't have shed loads of cash.....I certainly got there using PCs before I could afford a Mac, sure there were problems...many many more than with the mac, but I simply had two options, Windows Computer or back to the Tascam 4 track cassette recorder.
Now before we go blubbering off to Mr Jobs that someone might not kiss his ass, read my lips...I use a Mac, but at the end of the day it is simply a TOOL, something that is obviously not in short supply in the Apple community.

[3phase]

isnt it rather fanboy like to live with a computer regardless of bad bad timing, virusses and and unstable os that you should reinstall every year to keep it smooth?

what are the advatages of windows pc´s for musicans? except that they might be cheaper..?

And many, many musos don't have shed loads of cash.....I certainly got there using PCs before I could afford a Mac, sure there were problems...many many more than with the mac, but I simply had two options, Windows Computer or back to the Tascam 4 track cassette recorder.
Now before we go blubbering off to Mr Jobs that someone might not kiss his ass, read my lips...I use a Mac, but at the end of the day it is simply a TOOL, something that is obviously not in short supply in the Apple community.

i spend 500 euro for my laptop..its fast enough to do record 16 tracks simultaniously or having 24 tracks open with a lot of plugs... ..its not the fastest but at least 4 times faster than the 4000 euro titanium i ve used the previous 7 years...

7 years on one laptop..i dont think the new plastic one will last as long the ghz titanium.. and the display is not half as nice :-/.. however,, the new 13inch is at least as samll and lightwight than the old 15" titaniums..
the reason i dindt liked to get a pro book..they are too large...

however.. 500 euro ( second hand) for a machine thats well fast enough for music production.. runs with a fireface 2 midi ports on different delay settings with 0,15 ms clockjitter... thast allmost as good as on an atari...

sorry...clock stability is something you really need when you want your 808 to sound like a 808 ...THis allone is a good reason to be interested in apple..beside the other advantages of the os..

the disadvantage? its not so good for standard jobs you perform with spice/autocad and excell..
ther the pc wins
but for music?


so... its not necessary to buy the shinesst highest power apple to enjoy the advatages of apple computers..

however.. one big disadvatage is that they remove important connectors every few years..
now the firewire port is gone on the new cheapo macs..

thats bad in many ways...
its not the computers that make apple expensiv...its the new extrenal hardware you have to buy ever y few years...

[Jacqueslacouth]

Boy, this has got me thinking....

If I had gone the PC route instead of the MBP, what kind of set up could I have got (lets say if I was starting from scratch) for the same money...just trolling through ebay, I think you could be pretty functional including computer, software and a number of peripherals....interesting digression...sorry

[Tarekith]

My new computer will run Windows 7 and be home built, Macs are for losers. As long as I'm running a PC that's 0.03gHz faster than a Mac, total win in my book. OSX is for losers who can't build their own PCs. What a waste of money, sheesh.

[SubFunk]

My new computer will run Windows 7 and be home built, Macs are for losers. As long as I'm running a PC that's 0.03gHz faster than a Mac, total win in my book. OSX is for losers who can't build their own PCs. What a waste of money, sheesh.

, falling of the chair.......

[Jacqueslacouth]

OSX is for losers who can't build their own PCs.

What about those that build super PC's then make em a Hackintosh?

[davepermen]

OSX is for losers who can't build their own PCs.

What about those that build super PC's then make em a Hackintosh?

well, they don't gain anything in stability, or anything else. as hackintoshes aren't really what apple cared for when doing their work


currently, a 700$ quadcore pc can be bought that works for years (mine is now 1.5 years old and at that price, more or less, now) and performs very well in live. spending more money on it just for it being a mac is so utterly useless.

and if you check lives support forum region, you'll see mac users having just as many if not more issues with live anyways..

[SubFunk]

OSX is for losers who can't build their own PCs.

What about those that build super PC's then make em a Hackintosh?

i don't think there is a point discussing the differences between OSX and windows.

just use whatever and MAKE MUSIC, oh wait, you can't Live is not 64bit yet, hang on and wait until Live 10 is out, that will give you enough time to built the perfect supercomputer. that will finally allow you to make music, unless you have to spend all your precious time babysitting the machine.

[Jacqueslacouth]

just use whatever and MAKE MUSIC

No arguments there, I'm still working my head around the technology every day. I come from a 20 year background of punk/ska playing shitty old guitars through whatever amps were available. I really find it hard to incorporate the technology into forming the sound I have in my head...much harder than back in the day, when one of the lads would simply have told me to shut the fuck up, stop being an artsy wanker and just PLAY!.....Good days...and just to reiterate, I have and do use both platforms...but to be honest, what exactly 64 and 32 bit means to making music is 1. totally beyond me and 2. I suspect with the complexity (or lack of, thereof) of what I do, utterly meaningless.