The Schwarzonator is stupid

[SubFunk]

well, using something else instead, to achieve the same thing, would mean not using something from henrik schwartz, would it?

[davepermen]

so then overall midi sequencing and programming is also cheating? hahaha
Take a 8 track taperecorder and start recording the old way!

recording? if you can't do it all live every time someone wants to hear, you're cheating!!

[julienb]

only the result is important...
blame society instead of Schwarzi-bidule-stuff

[bridgealantee]

I think it would be dope if someone made a version of this patch that had every chord progression possible as apresets and they were labeled accordingly. This would be an excellent learning tool as well as a great studio tool. I liked this patch a lot as a sampling musician with minimal chops. If you look at the visualiztion of how it's musically quantizeing your notes, it's very helpfull and puts you in the right direction, while still getting results.

[Lamont]

for some reason i find it really appalling, why write/perform music if you cant take the time to learn basic chords.

Thank you for the original contribution.
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=132103

Wonna get really outraged? I heard some dudes are using Live to beatmatch without using turntables

OHH MY GOD!!! REALLY ?!!??

[Lamont]

perhaps this thread should be renamed 'henrik schwarz is killing music'?

[julienb]

perhaps this thread should be renamed 'henrik schwarz is killing music'?

+1

at least, this artist makes music, shares his patch etc...
not a lot of people that does that

[djsynchro]

I can't be bothered to read through the whole thread. First of all I'm all for technology so I'm fine with Schwarzenegger intonator resonator, but to clamp down played notes to the scale you're in would first of all take out all the grace notes. Where it comes to slides, trills, bends, hammer-ons etcetera the guitar really wins from the keyboard in expression so to take out the grace notes would be to remove a layer of expression. (Yes I know there is pitchbend and aftertouch on synths but it's nowhere near the range of sounds you can coax from a guitar).

Secondly, playing notes that are not part of the scale is where it's at, depending where in the measure you are! An example would be playing a blues scale over a Major chord progression the whole point of that is that some notes "wring" and stand out!

Removing these nuances make for a kind of elevator music indeed which could be just the right thing for an installation or a hypnotic track.... it all depends. Theory helps but I'll let you in on the killer trick to know if you played the right note or not: Use your ears!

[julienb]

Theory helps but I'll let you in on the killer trick to know if you played the right note or not: Use your ears!

use whatever you want to make whatever you want, for my opinion.
only the result matters.

[Shillelagh Law]

Meet Piano Hero!

my thoughts exactly!
Maybe "midi hero" would be more precise ?
People have already used the guitar hero controller with max msp too. Might as well use it with this schwartzonator doodad for the full experience!
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gu ... f&oq=&aqi=

could probably use midi clips to trigger jitter visuals giving the 'performer' cues when to press the buttons

[maomao]

Personnaly, I am not interested in the result !

mais carrément, c'est le raisonnement qui compte!

[julienb]

Personnaly, I am not interested in the result !

mais carrément, c'est le raisonnement qui compte!

mais moi aussi... en fait!
mais la société est comme ça. seul le résultat compte.
pour 95% des gens c'est aussi ça.
c'est la vie
et en fait, je m'en tape.

[TRS80]

My grandmother had a little electric organ where you could press these buttons and get automatic chords. To go along with it there was a book that told you which button to press to make nice progressions. I took piano lessons but I still loved that shit. Our family had a lot of good fun with it too.

I spent a long time learning to mix two pieces of vinyl together. Now it can be done with a button press. You can even use software to tell you what two pieces will best mesh chromatically. I love this shit.

I've been a drummer since I was six, now you have drum machines and loop libraries. Great stuff!

Photography was viewed as sacrilege by certain painters when it was introduced.

Electricity was viewed by some as evil when it was introduced.

The point is, ALL of this stuff is technology, and the progressions are only a matter of degree.

If you use software like Live, and you have a "problem" with something like the Schwarzonator, you're a big fat hypocrite. We need to get past the "burn her as a witch!" mentality.

Craftsmen who work by "hand" have not vanished, but their ranks have been decimated, leaving only the most talented ones standing. Studio drummers are still around, just not as many of them, and the ones that do work are amazing. A person can piss and moan about new technology that competes with their learned skills, but it amounts to an insignificant whine as Darwin's theory pushes forward. A schoolboy, when he is confused and mad, usually says something like "you're stupid." What a worthless waste of time and energy.

It's a myth that creative types are all liberals: many of them are conservative, close minded, judgmental, angry campers. Many of them feel entitled and are resistant to changes in the status quo. Keep in mind, in the end, people will either find value in your creations or not. They will not analyze your method. As technology makes certain skills automatic, other sets of skills will emerge that differentiate the wheat from the chaff.

[vicz]

We used to have the Beatles, now we have Simon Cowell.....

[Shillelagh Law]

My grandmother had a little electric organ where you could press these buttons and get automatic chords. To go along with it there was a book that told you which button to press to make nice progressions. I took piano lessons but I still loved that shit. Our family had a lot of good fun with it too.

I spent a long time learning to mix two pieces of vinyl together. Now it can be done with a button press. You can even use software to tell you what two pieces will best mesh chromatically. I love this shit.

I've been a drummer since I was six, now you have drum machines and loop libraries. Great stuff!

Photography was viewed as sacrilege by certain painters when it was introduced.

Electricity was viewed by some as evil when it was introduced.

The point is, ALL of this stuff is technology, and the progressions are only a matter of degree.

If you use software like Live, and you have a "problem" with something like the Schwarzonator, you're a big fat hypocrite. We need to get past the "burn her as a witch!" mentality.

Craftsmen who work by "hand" have not vanished, but their ranks have been decimated, leaving only the most talented ones standing. Studio drummers are still around, just not as many of them, and the ones that do work are amazing. A person can piss and moan about new technology that competes with their learned skills, but it amounts to an insignificant whine as Darwin's theory pushes forward. A schoolboy, when he is confused and mad, usually says something like "you're stupid." What a worthless waste of time and energy.

It's a myth that creative types are all liberals: many of them are conservative, close minded, judgmental, angry campers. Many of them feel entitled and are resistant to changes in the status quo. Keep in mind, in the end, people will either find value in your creations or not. They will not analyze your method. As technology makes certain skills automatic, other sets of skills will emerge that differentiate the wheat from the chaff.

some lame analogies up in this.
besides - drum machines have to be programmed, and people who think the schwarzonator is stupid probably don't use prefabricated loops either.