Ripping other artists off!

[Tone Deft]

most people do not listen to electronic music.

[3phase]

So what's your outlook on Reggae 3phase ?
There's a huge 'riddim' culture there where the music is, ripped ? no not ripped, shared ? passed along in the community ? tweaked ? ... either way sharing riddims and re-inventing them with different lyrics/mc styles and dubbing it is what it's all about.

I for one love that shit, but again, I think it's quite a unique musical culture that wouldn't translate so well to other styles.

also dub is the grand-daddy of modern dance music imo.

i agree.. if you play house on a slower speed you are defently in the reggae domain.. reggae/dub and house are related very closely..


And i dont think that working within a style and exploring it or bringing it further is ripping, thats rather culture.. similar like in house music where certain grooves are shared but you dare to have your own "lyrics" .. you dont steal the hooks..or you are lame..

In times reggae was more popular there was some serious ripping from the side of the music industry going.. just done so badly that you wouldnt recocnize it as reggae..

[3phase]

most people do not listen to electronic music.

bad copys and totally formated tracks hurt on the dancefloor even more...
and dj´s are pretty blind when it comes to originality,. they pretty much depend on what is going on on themarket because tehy allways want to play new records.. so as less cerativ the producers as less dancing and too much drinking instead for me...

i ve a very personal reason.. its much cheaper going out when the music is good

[SubFunk]

In this case it's electronic stuff, but it can and does happen with any music, the style doesn't matter.

i recently have been told by a forum member who listened on soundcloud to some of my stuff i would sound like a guy i never ever heard of in my live, hence i can't even remember his name... (i was actually a sort of a bit pissed of, me sounding like someone else... pffff... ) and i did not even thought of trying to be like anyone else at all. well i never do!!! absolutely not! still it happens i sound like it, apparently... that is what i meant.

so what's that then .... also a rip off?

I'm going to go out on a limb here...but are we talking about house music ?

[Tone Deft]

most people do not listen to electronic music.

bad copys and totally formated tracks hurt on the dancefloor even more...
and dj´s are pretty blind when it comes to originality,. they pretty much depend on what is going on on themarket because tehy allways want to play new records.. so as less cerativ the producers as less dancing and too much drinking instead for me...

i ve a very personal reason.. its much cheaper going out when the music is good

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[SubFunk]

most people do not listen to electronic music.

bad copys and totally formated tracks hurt on the dancefloor even more...
and dj´s are pretty blind when it comes to originality,. they pretty much depend on what is going on on themarket because tehy allways want to play new records.. so as less cerativ the producers as less dancing and too much drinking instead for me...

i ve a very personal reason.. its much cheaper going out when the music is good

i hear you, i hear you 3phase, totally agree on the lack of originality of most DJs

[Shillelagh Law]

In this case it's electronic stuff, but it can and does happen with any music, the style doesn't matter.

imo:
I listen to a shit-tonne of electronic music from yester-year to present day and to my ears it happens all the time with the more mainstream/metrosexual sub genres of house music. if you're into producing that style, I think you should get used to sounding like you ripped someone off - unless you're the next Plastikman (r.i.p)
if it's got to be house, give me acid house with a pair of balls or fuck off

anyway I'll leave more indepth house theory/discussions to the experts.

[Tone Deft]

reggae/dub and house are related very closely...

people agree with this?

[Shillelagh Law]

do you know enough about either to dispute it ?

[Tone Deft]

christ, how long have you 'known' me? make all the funny jabs you want, you really think I don't know?

basic history...
house came from the Warehouse in Chicago, it started as disco with a drum machine under it, then a TB303.
ska was the blues infused with Carribean influences. then a hot summer came about and they slowed it down, this created reggae. dub came after that when the Jamaican producers got trickier with their production tricks, remixing tracks.

ultimately most genres have combined at one point or another but I never thought of house and reggae being similar.

[Shillelagh Law]

I didn't ask for the chronology dumbass...

I asked do you know enough about either to dispute it ?
by know, I mean just how much reggae/dub/house have you been exposed to ?

this is something even the most accurate wikipedia entry can't help you with.

anyway to answer your question: Yes, I agree with it emphatically. A few posts up I said dub is the grand-daddy of modern dance music. And I stand by that.

[Tone Deft]

you're just leading me on. it's funny to watch you work.

as you were.

[Shillelagh Law]

Well, why don't you dispute the statement...now that should be entertaining.

[3phase]

they share the offbeat pronounciation for example.. there is a thin red line from ska to house in that regard...
however reggae was influenced by the blues via rock n roll..I am not really sure where the humpta element comes from.. its probably just very international because its clother to the heart beat than what a jazz drummer is doing...

ska is related to swing music.. swing music is related to house music ..theese days maybe more than ever
before it was called swing i think there was ragtime. which was some kind of party dance blues.. with the good ol house piano... just played better.. and sounding more like ska.. because of the brass sections... So all the styles have theier roots in the mississippi delta?

i guess thats what happens when people dont rip but just bring an idea further or to other places.. a big amount of related styles over centurys

[3phase]

and not to forget.. comercial ragtime hot spot in the 1920´s was... chikago...

what an accident