Keynote or State of the Union...

[jsn]

if these diatribes are to be the least bit interesting please use your own words and not that of published media. one can google nearly every phrase you use. let me tell you something. your president has very little to do with your problems. i lived and worked in the states myself for many years some time ago. government, no matter where it may be, is a vicious cycle and a VERY well thought out plan involving issues and monies that you will never know about unless you dig very deep. take a look at what the US does for Israel for instance...no matter who the president or party is. everything is happening exactly as it is meant to. now back to Ableton.

[adventurepants_]

I think a lot of people on the left (of which Im one) seem to misunderstand that the US on the whole is a conservative country. The Democrats have to not only try to slowly introduce reforms, but they also need to continue to get elected to do so. I think its naive in the extreme to think they would be elected again if they changed everything on Deva's shopping list in one term. It is very easy to freak out swinging voters, and they have shown they are very susceptible to fear campaigns from the GOP.

This is the political reality of Democracy, stability at the price of reform at a snails pace. The Right have the advantage in this as they can fight issues on fear much more successfully than the Left.

Not to mention that as has been said, 'the business of America is business', and anyone who interferes with that isnt going to last very long in politics. It takes an enormous amount of cash to get elected, and you cant make enemies of Wall St if you want to stay in power. Thats the downside of being a rich and powerful country.

[deva]

I think a lot of people on the left (of which Im one) seem to misunderstand that the US on the whole is a conservative country. The Democrats have to not only try to slowly introduce reforms, but they also need to continue to get elected to do so. I think its naive in the extreme to think they would be elected again if they changed everything on Deva's shopping list in one term. It is very easy to freak out swinging voters, and they have shown they are very susceptible to fear campaigns from the GOP.

This is the political reality of Democracy, stability at the price of reform at a snails pace. The Right have the advantage in this as they can fight issues on fear much more successfully than the Left.

Not to mention that as has been said, 'the business of America is business', and anyone who interferes with that isnt going to last very long in politics. It takes an enormous amount of cash to get elected, and you cant make enemies of Wall St if you want to stay in power. Thats the downside of being a rich and powerful country.

I'm sorry, but you are not making sense.

It is a propaganda manipulation to frame things as liberal vs conservative. That is a smokescreen. The wealthy elite have manufactured a false dichotomy to keep people divided and at odds. Those terms mean nothing in relation to government.

Traditional conservative values speak, among other things, of small government and a non-interventionist foreign policy. There are hardly any conservatives in the republican party, just as there are hardly any liberals in the democratic party. (Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich... one person of integrity from each is pretty much it) Those terms have ceased to mean anything in relation to the political process in the United States. Both parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of Corporation Inc. Meanwhile, people of all sorts feel betrayed by the party they have been taught to believe represents them. It is an age old con game.

[oblique strategies]

[distaudio]

All of this is only possible with a central bank fiat currency.

Thank fuck someone said it.

[distaudio]

Are any of you who wack on about left and right sides of politics familiar with the hegelian dialectic?

Go far enough to the left - you have communism.
Go far enough to the right - you have fascism.

Either way both mean. COMPLETE CONTROL!!!!

So really there is no difference is there.

A perfect example of this is what happen under 8 years of Bush.

The general population got sick of the right side of politics and being screwed over, so they wanted change by going to the left side with Obama.

That amount of hatred of the right shot the US from the far-right straight over to the far-left.
Once again - Control!

People should really look at what the word "liberty" means and they would appreciate what the US forefathers tried to achieve.

[LoopStationZebra]

Yikes.

With the stroke of a pen and absolutely zero permission from any other branch of government, Obama could reduce the outrageous level of Executive Power that Bush II implemented and exercised.

But why would he? It's good to be King.

[thelike5]

Nearly all of these 'new' programs that Obama was talking about last night amount to little more than Gear Lust on the part of someone that works at Subway.

Yep. Quote of the day.

[boscoremus]

Obama lied many times in his speech..


He said 10 years ago there was 10's of billions in surplus this is a bold faced lie..

Washington keeps 2 sets of Books a practice that is done by the private sector would be considered illegal.

We have documented proof of the 2 sets of books..

From USAToday "What's the real federal deficit?" article: http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington ... usat_x.htm
TO quote from the article..
"The Clinton administration reported a surplus of $559 billion in its final four budget years. The audited numbers showed a deficit of $484 billion."

He talked about lobbyist not being part of his admin, but there are 30 former lobbyist in his admin..

He is a liar and has violated the US Constitution and his Oath of Office..

And i can list them..

Since taking office he has made 9 Signing statements saying he would not obey the laws passed by Congress when as a candidate he promised that he would not use signing statements to run around congress, which we now know he lied about. And as a candidate he even said that the signing statements made by Bush were over and above the power of Bush as President.. SO when he made his 9 signing statement Obama was acting over and above the office of President just as Bush did and the Bush Signing statements were included as Article 26 of Dennis K's Articles of Impeachment of George W. Bush.. SO Signing statements are an impeachable offense and Obama has made 9 of them including the giving of $100 Billion taxpayer dollars to the IMF/World Bank which Congress didn't want to give them taxpayer money..


He has taken on a Title of Nobility of Chairmanship of the UN Security Council a violation of the US Constitution..

He has made a nuke treaty with Russia without the advice and consent of the Senate and without 2/3's of the Senate concurring as required by Article II of the US Constitution..

He is allowing the states like former presidents did to to use another currency(federal reserve notes) as a tender in the payment of debts in violation of Article I, Section 10 where is says that only gold and silver coin "SHALL" be the tender for debts within the states.. ( in law the word "shall" is a mandatory term.) there has not been a valid Article V amendment to change Article I, Section 10 to the Const. so it is still part of the Supreme Law of the Land. Which means he is allowing the states to violate the Constitution which means he has violated his Oath of Office...



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[adventurepants_]

I think a lot of people on the left (of which Im one) seem to misunderstand that the US on the whole is a conservative country. The Democrats have to not only try to slowly introduce reforms, but they also need to continue to get elected to do so. I think its naive in the extreme to think they would be elected again if they changed everything on Deva's shopping list in one term. It is very easy to freak out swinging voters, and they have shown they are very susceptible to fear campaigns from the GOP.

This is the political reality of Democracy, stability at the price of reform at a snails pace. The Right have the advantage in this as they can fight issues on fear much more successfully than the Left.

Not to mention that as has been said, 'the business of America is business', and anyone who interferes with that isnt going to last very long in politics. It takes an enormous amount of cash to get elected, and you cant make enemies of Wall St if you want to stay in power. Thats the downside of being a rich and powerful country.

I'm sorry, but you are not making sense.

It is a propaganda manipulation to frame things as liberal vs conservative. That is a smokescreen. The wealthy elite have manufactured a false dichotomy to keep people divided and at odds. Those terms mean nothing in relation to government.

Traditional conservative values speak, among other things, of small government and a non-interventionist foreign policy. There are hardly any conservatives in the republican party, just as there are hardly any liberals in the democratic party. (Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich... one person of integrity from each is pretty much it) Those terms have ceased to mean anything in relation to the political process in the United States. Both parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of Corporation Inc. Meanwhile, people of all sorts feel betrayed by the party they have been taught to believe represents them. It is an age old con game.

Strongly disagree. The reality of politics is much more complicated than this. Modern Democracy simply cannot function without an expanding capitalist economy. At least there is no successful modern example that challenges this.

This capitalist economy means that PACs, interest groups and lobby groups are going to have more power than the average citizen, as they can contribute financially to the re-election of political parties. Democracy is the balancing of interest groups, not the extension of an equal franchise to every citizen as some might believe.

As for 'propaganda manipulation', I think you are seeing conspiracies where there is only self interest. Im not saying that there isnt collusion between big business and government in order to feather their own nests and maintain their power, but the smoky back room where these elites conspire in a coordinated grand scheme against the proles exists only in the fevered imaginations of conspiracy theorists. I agree with Chomsky, this is about cash, not conspiracies.

"Both parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of Corporation Inc."

Well, quite. Do you think there is anyone in the western world with an education who doesnt know this?

[boscoremus]

I think a lot of people on the left (of which Im one) seem to misunderstand that the US on the whole is a conservative country. The Democrats have to not only try to slowly introduce reforms, but they also need to continue to get elected to do so. I think its naive in the extreme to think they would be elected again if they changed everything on Deva's shopping list in one term. It is very easy to freak out swinging voters, and they have shown they are very susceptible to fear campaigns from the GOP.

This is the political reality of Democracy, stability at the price of reform at a snails pace. The Right have the advantage in this as they can fight issues on fear much more successfully than the Left.

Not to mention that as has been said, 'the business of America is business', and anyone who interferes with that isnt going to last very long in politics. It takes an enormous amount of cash to get elected, and you cant make enemies of Wall St if you want to stay in power. Thats the downside of being a rich and powerful country.

I'm sorry, but you are not making sense.

It is a propaganda manipulation to frame things as liberal vs conservative. That is a smokescreen. The wealthy elite have manufactured a false dichotomy to keep people divided and at odds. Those terms mean nothing in relation to government.

Traditional conservative values speak, among other things, of small government and a non-interventionist foreign policy. There are hardly any conservatives in the republican party, just as there are hardly any liberals in the democratic party. (Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich... one person of integrity from each is pretty much it) Those terms have ceased to mean anything in relation to the political process in the United States. Both parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of Corporation Inc. Meanwhile, people of all sorts feel betrayed by the party they have been taught to believe represents them. It is an age old con game.

Strongly disagree. The reality of politics is much more complicated than this. Modern Democracy simply cannot function without an expanding capitalist economy. At least there is no successful modern example that challenges this.

This capitalist economy means that PACs, interest groups and lobby groups are going to have more power than the average citizen, as they can contribute financially to the re-election of political parties. Democracy is the balancing of interest groups, not the extension of an equal franchise to every citizen as some might believe.

As for 'propaganda manipulation', I think you are seeing conspiracies where there is only self interest. Im not saying that there isnt collusion between big business and government in order to feather their own nests and maintain their power, but the smoky back room where these elites conspire in a coordinated grand scheme against the proles exists only in the fevered imaginations of conspiracy theorists. I agree with Chomsky, this is about cash, not conspiracies.

"Both parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of Corporation Inc."

Well, quite. Do you think there is anyone in the western world with an education who doesnt know this?

The USA is not supposed to be a Democracy it is a Republic!!! See Article IV, Section 4, US Constitution..

[starving student]

state of the union. wish every President had the balls to say 1/100th of what he said. Obama was dead on. crazy how anyone (citizens, politicians) can't see that...

Obama is a lying, thieving, murdering criminal. He has broken every promise he made so far. Only an idiot would believe that conman at this point.

the question is is he the only president you've called that?

nope... called the last guy the same thing... maybe I find this guy more annoying cause he talks well enough to fool people... just like any good conman

and how dare that asshole refer to the Constitution when he shits all over it... spying on citizens, infiltrating legal groups, indefinite detention, sanctioned assassination of US citizens... the list goes on...[/quote]


how can you complain about shitting on something that is already covered in shit?
I think for smart people to let Obamas eloquence and the fact that he wears a nice suit be the straw that breaks their camels back to be suspect, he's been in office for a year, where was your outrage for the prior 8 years, if you multiply the outrage you've got over obamas 1 year times the outrage you should have over the prior 8 years you're head should have already exploded by now, but you seem to be just getting warmed up hmmmm

[adventurepants_]

The USA is not supposed to be a Democracy it is a Republic!!! See Article IV, Section 4, US Constitution..

"James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to only having direct democracy"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic


Its still a democracy as the term is understood. There is no "direct" democracy in the modern world as far as Im aware. (Switzerland, maybe but thats about it)

Was this leading to a point?

[JuanSOLO]

It is a propaganda manipulation to frame things as liberal vs conservative. That is a smokescreen. The wealthy elite have manufactured a false dichotomy to keep people divided and at odds. Those terms mean nothing in relation to government.

Traditional conservative values speak, among other things, of small government and a non-interventionist foreign policy. There are hardly any conservatives in the republican party, just as there are hardly any liberals in the democratic party. (Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich... one person of integrity from each is pretty much it) Those terms have ceased to mean anything in relation to the political process in the United States. Both parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of Corporation Inc. Meanwhile, people of all sorts feel betrayed by the party they have been taught to believe represents them. It is an age old con game.

agreed. I just don't think the elite do it intentionally, I think it's a natural by product of the elite manifestation, just as getting screwed by the man is a by product of "working class" manifestations. I think most people are not smart enough or have enough wits to be effectively intentional in such a cordinated fashion. Those who are smart enough, probably care little for politics, or are extreamly dangerous isolated people.

%100 that it keeps people divided. All this seems to makes them "feel" unique when they are really just sheep.

[boscoremus]

The USA is not supposed to be a Democracy it is a Republic!!! See Article IV, Section 4, US Constitution..

"James Madison defined republic in terms of representative democracy as opposed to only having direct democracy"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic


Its still a democracy as the term is understood. There is no "direct" democracy in the modern world as far as Im aware. (Switzerland, maybe but thats about it)

Was this leading to a point?

The U.S. War Department Training Manual 2000-25 (1928) — Civics textbook for training Army troops.

The US Government defined both a republic and a democracy

http://www.constitution.org/mil/tm/tm_2 ... 000-25.pdf


The following comes from Training Manual No. 2000-25 published by the War Department, November 30, 1928.

DEMOCRACY:

* A government of the masses.
* Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.
* Results in mobocracy.
* Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights.
* Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.
* Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

REPUBLIC:

* Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.
* Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences.
* A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.
* Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy.
* Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.
* Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world.


I also suggest that you read James Madison in Federalist Paper #10..