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[jamief]

Suite 8 runs perfect for me. 8.1.1 om an ole black Macbook and on an early 2008 iMac

What third party plugins do you use ?

Maybe my issues lie in my plugin list - i know massive can cause live to crash
NI Komplete 5
Komplete 2
Kore 2
Kore paks various
omnisphere
trillion
stylus rmx + expanded
atmosphere
trilogy
stylus
camelphat
camelspace
alchemy
Melodyne DNA
Ohm force suite
D16 suite
T-racks deluxe
Ozone izotope 4
BBE sonic maximizer
Ultra Analog
Some Nomad plugins
Waves mercury

[davepermen]

Suite 8 runs perfect for me. 8.1.1 om an ole black Macbook and on an early 2008 iMac

What third party plugins do you use ?

Maybe my issues lie in my plugin list - i know massive can cause live to crash
NI Komplete 5
Komplete 2
Kore 2
Kore paks various
omnisphere
trillion
stylus rmx + expanded
atmosphere
trilogy
stylus
camelphat
camelspace
alchemy
Melodyne DNA
Ohm force suite
D16 suite
T-racks deluxe
Ozone izotope 4
BBE sonic maximizer
Ultra Analog
Some Nomad plugins
Waves mercury

by following quite some "live sucks" threads, i saw several ones with few plugs or no plugs having 0 or close to 0 problems. others with tons of plugs have huge issues. mac users tend to (right now) have more problems, as well.

so yeah, i never had problems with live at all, and i have no plugins. looks like, right now, the biggest issue of live is it's plugin part (and that is hard to get right. most browsers can crash even today if flash messes up, etc.. and live's plugin part can not just be safe and failsafe, it has to be performant, too).

[jamief]

What third party plugins do you use ?[/quote]
Maybe my issues lie in my plugin list - i know massive can cause live to crash
NI Komplete 5
Komplete 2
Kore 2
Kore paks various
omnisphere
trillion
stylus rmx + expanded
atmosphere
trilogy
stylus
camelphat
camelspace
alchemy
Melodyne DNA
Ohm force suite
D16 suite
T-racks deluxe
Ozone izotope 4
BBE sonic maximizer
Ultra Analog
Some Nomad plugins
Waves mercury[/quote]

[/quote]by following quite some "live sucks" threads, i saw several ones with few plugs or no plugs having 0 or close to 0 problems. others with tons of plugs have huge issues. mac users tend to (right now) have more problems, as well.

so yeah, i never had problems with live at all, and i have no plugins. looks like, right now, the biggest issue of live is it's plugin part (and that is hard to get right. most browsers can crash even today if flash messes up, etc.. and live's plugin part can not just be safe and failsafe, it has to be performant, too).[/quote]

Howdy yes i have the feeling also plugins have a strong roll hear - but i dont code or program so i,m only ever guessing about these things - but instinct points me there.
Unfortunately third party vstfx and vsti are intergral for us and give us something unique when set up in chains. So they are hear to stay. Acouple of the plugs we use are from 2002 era and are disconitunued. I dont think they are on that list above but they are special to us and seem to work ok - but................. who knows what the triggers are. We know all about triggers hear in my house as my wife's a pyschotherapist - come sit on our couch

best
J

[davepermen]

i know that they're important for a lot of people. happily, not for me (started directly with live, and obviously didn't want to spend additional money on other devices. if live can do it somehow, why should i pay for the same again?).

and by seeing how much problems people have, i'm glad i got used to the live devices, and not have to rely on some external stuff, currently.

you could test to remove half of the plugs, see if it gets more stable (and will be fun to try to work around the lack of plugs). then switch to the half that is less stable, and there, again, drop half.. till you focus down which plugs are the main problems. and then report that those are buggy with live.

[jamief]

i know that they're important for a lot of people. happily, not for me (started directly with live, and obviously didn't want to spend additional money on other devices. if live can do it somehow, why should i pay for the same again?).

and by seeing how much problems people have, i'm glad i got used to the live devices, and not have to rely on some external stuff, currently.

you could test to remove half of the plugs, see if it gets more stable (and will be fun to try to work around the lack of plugs). then switch to the half that is less stable, and there, again, drop half.. till you focus down which plugs are the main problems. and then report that those are buggy with live.

i have 200 -300 seperate plugs ( never counted them properly). It would be deeply time consuming and complex + my main writing system is 95% stable at the moment - i can live with the 5% downtime.
When touring we work with a reduced amount of plugs - so that's maybe the time to research beforegoing out the stability issues with certain vstfx and vsti. I know that massive ( with latest update) can crash live instantly on occasion when running on win 7 ultimate i7 chipset.Havent beern using the mac at all lately

Odds are we will not be using macs on stage this summer.
Best
J

[davepermen]

i know that they're important for a lot of people. happily, not for me (started directly with live, and obviously didn't want to spend additional money on other devices. if live can do it somehow, why should i pay for the same again?).

and by seeing how much problems people have, i'm glad i got used to the live devices, and not have to rely on some external stuff, currently.

you could test to remove half of the plugs, see if it gets more stable (and will be fun to try to work around the lack of plugs). then switch to the half that is less stable, and there, again, drop half.. till you focus down which plugs are the main problems. and then report that those are buggy with live.

i have 200 -300 seperate plugs ( never counted them properly). It would be deeply time consuming and complex + my main writing system is 95% stable at the moment - i can live with the 5% downtime.
When touring we work with a reduced amount of plugs - so that's maybe the time to research beforegoing out the stability issues with certain vstfx and vsti. I know that massive ( with latest update) can crash live instantly on occasion when running on win 7 ultimate i7 chipset.Havent beern using the mac at all lately

Best
J

300 plugs or so, that means around 9 tries till you are at an individual plug that messes up everything

but yeah, even that would be time consuming for gaining 5% stability.

the live setup, i would explore which ones are the bad boys there. would help the whole community doing so (and is the reason i always bash 3phase for his behaviour against live. it doesn't help anyone). you started to annoy me for the same reason, but you sound interested in finding the roots of the problems to fix them. so i dropped that false-believe that you just want to bash live for the fun of it..

[jamief]

It would be actually running into the millions if you tried all the possible combinations of plugins running side by side etc etc i think
I am genuine. I was gettin a bit annoyed myself and slightly ill at ease when people started to have ago at each other over other things in this discussion other than on live's stability - but that is fine. It so easy to miss communicate at home face to face nevermind tapping away on the internet thousands of miles apart from each other.
And i do rely on live to feed cloth and house us to a point ( we have multiple incomes - not all eggs in 1 basket)as an income. So i am as dedicated and serious about stability as i can be. I have to be and want to be.

best

[davepermen]

no, it's exactly 9 steps

150: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 150, else, divide the other 150
75: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 75, else, divide the other 75
38: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 38, else, divide the other 38
19: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 19, else, divide the other 19
10: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 10, else, divide the other 10
5: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 5, else, divide the other 5
3: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 3, else, divide the other 3
2: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 2, else, divide the other 2
1: check if crash is still there, if yes, that plugin fails, else, the other one of the last two fails.

[jamief]

no, it's exactly 9 steps

150: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 150, else, divide the other 150
75: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 75, else, divide the other 75
38: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 38, else, divide the other 38
19: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 19, else, divide the other 19
10: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 10, else, divide the other 10
5: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 5, else, divide the other 5
3: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 3, else, divide the other 3
2: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 2, else, divide the other 2
1: check if crash is still there, if yes, that plugin fails, else, the other one of the last two fails.

You know better than me I can't understand that But it's ok. If it wasnt for music i wouldnt go near this type of problem - but in some ways it is part of the work.
But like today i have live opened and nothing is happening - my brain needs to relax - so instead i,m playing the playstation in short bursts 20 mins or so. Trying to fix complex issues with pc/ mac / crashes taxes me mentaly because i,m not that natuirally interested in it at all - but i have to be enough to make things work - probably my least favourite part of the work i think. But music is my attention not computers . .

anyhway

[leedsquietman]

Jamie - Protools sucks at .omf and also requires you buy a $495 add-on 'Digitranslator'.

Logic, Cubase/Nuendo, Sonar, DP all do .omf fine with no problems. I'd like to see Live include it.

However, beware that .omf does not handle most automation.

BTW - Massive works fine for me, but I'm using Live 7 still.

[davepermen]

no, it's exactly 9 steps

150: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 150, else, divide the other 150
75: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 75, else, divide the other 75
38: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 38, else, divide the other 38
19: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 19, else, divide the other 19
10: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 10, else, divide the other 10
5: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 5, else, divide the other 5
3: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 3, else, divide the other 3
2: check if crash is still there, if yes, continue divide those 2, else, divide the other 2
1: check if crash is still there, if yes, that plugin fails, else, the other one of the last two fails.

You know better than me I can't understand that But it's ok. If it wasnt for music i wouldnt go near this type of problem - but in some ways it is part of the work.
But like today i have live opened and nothing is happening - my brain needs to relax - so instead i,m playing the playstation in short bursts 20 mins or so. Trying to fix complex issues with pc/ mac / crashes taxes me mentaly because i,m not that natuirally interested in it at all - but i have to be enough to make things work - probably my least favourite part of the work i think.

anyhway

it's simple search logic. if you know you have a bunch of things, and one is buggy, then you find it simply by splitting the bunch of things into two groups, and test if one group is still buggy. you then know, the buggy thing is in there, else in the other group.

and then, you repeat that.

simple ordinary logic on quickly finding something.

[jamief]

Jamie - Protools sucks at .omf and also requires you buy a $495 add-on 'Digitranslator'.

Logic, Cubase/Nuendo, Sonar, DP all do .omf fine with no problems. I'd like to see Live include it.

However, beware that .omf does not handle most automation.

BTW - Massive works fine for me, but I'm using Live 7 still.

Ah i see thanks. It has been a while but i know that we have some artists/ producers who are solely protools users wanting to exchange files and music for mixing/remixing/ scoring quite soon. And again and id rather import some sort of structure (minus automation)into live. I do know that multiple wavs and aiffs are good ( and i can work quite quickly with those)but i was kinda hopin omf may be one step beyond that.

[Poster]

i have 200 -300 seperate plugs

that's insane..

[blackboab]

WOW ... Kenny Larkin and Claude Young in the same thread ... cool

[loydb]

i have 200 -300 seperate plugs

that's insane..

Well, Waves can be, like 175 of them I think...